you should all know this?

[Roch]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

You underestimate the power of loyalty between friends who were all freemasons - they didn't need an excuse to be insane, it was natural for this group of people to share information about the case with each other...

Robert Boutflour was a very influential individual who had more ways than one of finding out things which were of interest to him, and his extended family...

My problem with this is it doesn't explain the relatives' certainty in Jeremy's guilt.  I have for some time been toying with the concept that one or more relatives knew more than the others.  For example, RWB knew some aspects of the bungled raid but Ann Eaton did not.  That's just an example mind.  But I would expect RWB to have been ahead of the game, due to his age, experience and connections?

[mike tesko]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

You underestimate the power of loyalty between friends who were all freemasons - they didn't need an excuse to be insane, it was natural for this group of people to share information about the case with each other...

It is also natural for people to look after their own positions. If those three were masons they would have had loyatly to each other too - they three would have kept quiet to protect each other, not blabbed to Boutlfour.

Is a freemason-based conspiracy the only explanation you have for this turn of events?

Robert Boutflour was not behind the door, who could see and knew that the police investigation had been deliberately botched, and he found out through PC Robert Carr, that police lied about how many shots had been fired, and that Sheila had only been shot once, when in fact she had been shot twice. He also knew that there had not been any official ballistics tests done to verify and confirm that only one weapon had been used in the shootings? He himself had been at the scene and witnessed at first hand how many weapons and amounts of ammunition had been left strewn about the farmhouse by the police, despite this being the scene of a multiple shooting...

Robert Boutflour got to know about the police shooting Sheila for a second time, whilst her body was laid out on the bed at a time when she had already been declared to be dead, but was not...

There are endless other things which Robert Boutflour got to know about, which helped him to easily persuade ACC Peter Simpson to order a fresh investigation and to get rid of DCI 'Taff' Jones, from head of the investigation...

You only have to ask yourself why was it so easy for Robert Boutflour to influence the police investigation and make it change course, and dispose of the senior investigating officer?

You do not have to be one of the BAMBER IS INNOCENT brigade to realize that Robert Boutflour had considerable influence, so much so that Simpson had no hesitation but to alter the course of the investigation, for good, or bad - such a decision bought Essex police a little more time...

[mike tesko]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

You underestimate the power of loyalty between friends who were all freemasons - they didn't need an excuse to be insane, it was natural for this group of people to share information about the case with each other...

Robert Boutflour was a very influential individual who had more ways than one of finding out things which were of interest to him, and his extended family...

My problem with this is it doesn't explain the relatives' certainty in Jeremy's guilt.  I have for some time been toying with the concept that one or more relatives knew more than the others.  For example, RWB knew some aspects of the bungled raid but Ann Eaton did not.  That's just an example mind.  But I would expect RWB to have been ahead of the game, due to his age, experience and connections?

my belief is that this view which all the relatives appear to have had collectively was born out of speculation, rather than anything solid upon which to base this belief, and partly because if it tuned out to be correct, that they stood a very good chance of becoming the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estates, and not have to find monies to pay back to the Bamber estate, monies that would in all probability end up in Jeremy's pocket...

So they got their heads together and came up with the idea of trying to blame Jeremy for the killings, but they were not getting any success whilst DCI 'Taff' Jones was head of the investigation...

As far as I know, DCI 'Taff' Jones was not a freemason, so he was beyond the influence of Robert Boutflour and the organisation he subscribed to...

Not only that...

But DCI Jones knew that Sheila did not die until after the police got into the farmhouse, so there was no way he was going to listen to anything at all that relatives might say or allege along the lines of Jeremy having killed Sheila and stage managed her body on the bedroom floor with the rifle on it, to make it look like she had taken her own life, when DCI Jones knew first hand, that this was most definitely not the case...

[mike tesko]

At the time relatives came up with the idea that Jeremy was the killer, they had no evidence to support such a suggestion, it was all contrived speculation...

It would have been just as easy for Jeremy at that stage to claim that the relatives had killed his family to get their hands on the inheritance, without having anything solid to base such a view uopon...

[mike tesko]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

[mike tesko]

If a check was to be made of all those involved in investigating this case, and all those who were involved in any inquiries into the handling of this case, and all those involved in the court proceedings which took place, involving the trial and the appeals, it will be found that the vast majority of the principle persons engaged in these duties are all freemasons, with one common thing in mind - they all set out to watch each others backs, and keep the lid on the truth...

A nod, a wink, and a funny handshake, and all manner of dances took place, in high places...

[Roch]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

[clifford]

Right Mike I have today spoken today an expert on gun related matters. I have shown him the images that you have posted.
His reaction was the bullet on the images is a sub sonic .22 bullet.
he agrees with me that this is NOT a pellet, which in his opinion would just flatten out.
The markings on the head of the bullet you displayed are the depth of the hollow point and nothing else.
Some eley .22 have these others do not depending on the type of ammo.
Hollow point are mostly lead, and break into three or four pieces on impact, even on soft tissue.[which is what we can see on the xrays of Sheila.
Interestly this ammo is wax coated, and has been for some years, so the absent of lead on Sheila's hands is no surprise
The marks you see are the base of a sub sonic bullet which does not break up [unlike the head] it travels through the target.
He informed me that non sub sonic ammo has a type of copper covering with no markings.
I have more information on this, but I was only interested in establishing that this image of Sheila was not a pellet.
I want the truth as much as you, but we need to know the facts.
Can I suggest that you find out more about the wax covering on these bullets.
Regards,

[mike tesko]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

'Z' has thus far refused to comment on whether 'Taff' Jones death was an accident or suspicious, although from talking with 'Z' on the two occasions we met, I get the impression that 'Z' is mindful of the consequences should 'Z's identity become blown. I personally think that 'Z' thinks that the death of 'Taff' Jones was suspicious and could be linked to what he knew and what he was prepared to expose should the trial of JB actually go ahead...

[mertol22]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Why do it then?

To placate the relatives?  Who were not exactly taking no for an answer.  It would have been better for EP if Bamber had walked, imo.

It was also to placate the press who were crucifying Essex Police and portraying them as akin to the Keystone Cops for their bungled investigation of the case.

They were the Keystone Cops Chocho they failed to find a silencer.

[mike tesko]

Right Mike I have today spoken today an expert on gun related matters. I have shown him the images that you have posted.
His reaction was the bullet on the images is a sub sonic .22 bullet.
he agrees with me that this is NOT a pellet, which in his opinion would just flatten out.
The markings on the head of the bullet you displayed are the depth of the hollow point and nothing else.
Some eley .22 have these others do not depending on the type of ammo.
Hollow point are mostly lead, and break into three or four pieces on impact, even on soft tissue.[which is what we can see on the xrays of Sheila.
Interestly this ammo is wax coated, and has been for some years, so the absent of lead on Sheila's hands is no surprise
The marks you see are the base of a sub sonic bullet which does not break up [unlike the head] it travels through the target.
He informed me that non sub sonic ammo has a type of copper covering with no markings.
I have more information on this, but I was only interested in establishing that this image of Sheila was not a pellet.
I want the truth as much as you, but we need to know the facts.
Can I suggest that you find out more about the wax covering on these bullets.
Regards,

I have the following observations to make, if this was a genuine .22 bullet as described by your expert, could you please ask him to explain how difficult it would have been to match up the crimping marks upon it, to a corresponding bullet case, and why in this instance this was not done?

[jackiepreece]

Remind me Bob are you an ex copper

[clifford]

Right Mike I have today spoken today an expert on gun related matters. I have shown him the images that you have posted.
His reaction was the bullet on the images is a sub sonic .22 bullet.
he agrees with me that this is NOT a pellet, which in his opinion would just flatten out.
The markings on the head of the bullet you displayed are the depth of the hollow point and nothing else.
Some eley .22 have these others do not depending on the type of ammo.
Hollow point are mostly lead, and break into three or four pieces on impact, even on soft tissue.[which is what we can see on the xrays of Sheila.
Interestly this ammo is wax coated, and has been for some years, so the absent of lead on Sheila's hands is no surprise
The marks you see are the base of a sub sonic bullet which does not break up [unlike the head] it travels through the target.
He informed me that non sub sonic ammo has a type of copper covering with no markings.
I have more information on this, but I was only interested in establishing that this image of Sheila was not a pellet.
I want the truth as much as you, but we need to know the facts.
Can I suggest that you find out more about the wax covering on these bullets.
Regards,

I have the following observations to make, if this was a genuine .22 bullet as described by your expert, could you please ask him to explain how difficult it would have been to match up the crimping marks upon it, to a corresponding bullet case, and why in this instance this was not done?

I am not sure what you are asking Mike, The marks you are displaying are the base of the bullet.

[jackiepreece]

So you are a serving police officer Bob

[mike tesko]

Right Mike I have today spoken today an expert on gun related matters. I have shown him the images that you have posted.
His reaction was the bullet on the images is a sub sonic .22 bullet.
he agrees with me that this is NOT a pellet, which in his opinion would just flatten out.
The markings on the head of the bullet you displayed are the depth of the hollow point and nothing else.
Some eley .22 have these others do not depending on the type of ammo.
Hollow point are mostly lead, and break into three or four pieces on impact, even on soft tissue.[which is what we can see on the xrays of Sheila.
Interestly this ammo is wax coated, and has been for some years, so the absent of lead on Sheila's hands is no surprise
The marks you see are the base of a sub sonic bullet which does not break up [unlike the head] it travels through the target.
He informed me that non sub sonic ammo has a type of copper covering with no markings.
I have more information on this, but I was only interested in establishing that this image of Sheila was not a pellet.
I want the truth as much as you, but we need to know the facts.
Can I suggest that you find out more about the wax covering on these bullets.
Regards,

I have the following observations to make, if this was a genuine .22 bullet as described by your expert, could you please ask him to explain how difficult it would have been to match up the crimping marks upon it, to a corresponding bullet case, and why in this instance this was not done?

I am not sure what you are asking Mike, The marks you are displaying are the base of the bullet.

What like these:-

You can find information and other photographs of these .22 pellets at the following link:-

(1) - http://www.photosbykev.com/wordpress/2009/01/20/air-rifle-pellet-database/