you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Also you have the other complication. The relatives finding the silencer.

Surely the silencer could just have been dismissed as irrelevant? Especially given that the relatives had taken it apart and contaminated it.

It wasn't just a case of the relatives finding a silencer, police already had a silencer which they chose to ignore, and Robert Boutflour knew about this other silencer and blackmailed the police into arresting Jeremy and prosecuting him, or otherwise......

[bob]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

[mike tesko]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

[Roch]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Why do it then?

To placate the relatives?  Who were not exactly taking no for an answer.  It would have been better for EP if Bamber had walked, imo.

[chochokeira]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Why do it then?

To placate the relatives?  Who were not exactly taking no for an answer.  It would have been better for EP if Bamber had walked, imo.

It was also to placate the press who were crucifying Essex Police and portraying them as akin to the Keystone Cops for their bungled investigation of the case.

[Roch]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

[bob]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Why do it then?

To placate the relatives?  Who were not exactly taking no for an answer.  It would have been better for EP if Bamber had walked, imo.

It was also to placate the press who were crucifying Essex Police and portraying them as akin to the Keystone Cops for their bungled investigation of the case.

So all these policemen, forensic experts, SOCOs etc. were prepared to send an innocent man to jail, commit perjury, risk their liberty, careers and pensions, just to keep the press of their backs?
I think not.

The botches were done with, and the murder-suicide was accepted by all but a small number of relatives. Colin believed it, and I think his opinion would have carried most weight with the press given that he was the father of the children. I am waiting to read Mike's explanation of what evidence the relatives used to blackmail police with in order to instigate this unfeasible conspiracy - it is going to have to be very compelling...

[mike tesko]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Relatives found out about the cover up, and witnessed at first hand how the police had botched the investigation from the outset - Robert Boutflour soon realized that if Essex police did not do what the relatives wanted them to do, he and the other relatives would expose the police and bring the force and those in commend to their knees...

Heads would roll, and police officers would face the sack and all would be prosecuted for telling lies and misleading the Coroners court, and perverting the course of justice...

[bob]

I don't think the police thought that Jeremy would be convicted, and he almost was not...

Why do it then?

To placate the relatives?  Who were not exactly taking no for an answer.  It would have been better for EP if Bamber had walked, imo.

Yes - I agree Rochy - it would have been much better for EP, which is why I'm not buying this latest conspiracy theory.

[bob]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

[bob]

Robert Boutflour soon realized that if Essex police did not do what the relatives wanted them to do, he and the other relatives would expose the police and bring the force and those in commend to their knees...

Using what evidence? He could say what he liked to the press, but without any concrete proof his accusations would have done nothing to harm the force. People make crazy accusations about the police every day.

[mike tesko]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

You underestimate the power of loyalty between friends who were all freemasons - they didn't need an excuse to be insane, it was natural for this group of people to share information about the case with each other...

Robert Boutflour was a very influential individual who had more ways than one of finding out things which were of interest to him, and his extended family...

[mike tesko]

Robert Boutflour soon realized that if Essex police did not do what the relatives wanted them to do, he and the other relatives would expose the police and bring the force and those in commend to their knees...

Using what evidence? He could say what he liked to the press, but without any concrete proof his accusations would have done nothing to harm the force. People make crazy accusations about the police every day.

Well, its not every day that there is a multiple murder, and police leave all the weapons and ammunitions and a silencer at the scene, so that the relatives could find it and take it away for safe keeping - hows that for a starter?

Its not an everyday occurrence, that lies can be told at the opening of an inquest into the deaths of five victims, that one of them had taken her own life by way of a solitary shot to the neck, when she had two shots to the neck...

[bob]

Relatives got wind of the police cover up, and when Robert Boutflour went to DHQ to see his Masonic colleague, Peter Simpson, he put over such a forceful argument about exposing the cover up instigated by Essex police, that Simpson became instantly convinced that relatives were determined to make sure heads would roll if police did not arrest JB and prosecute him as the murderer...

How did the relatives get wind of it, and what evidence could they have provided that was so compelling as to force the creation of a massive conspiracy that ranged from humble bobbies up to a police commissioner?

If you will lend me your ears, I will explain...

I'm all ears...

Relatives had access to internal police information from sources like, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and Metropolitan police officer and friend, PC Robert Carr, when you couple this to the influence which Robert Boutflour had with his masonic colleagues who were police officers involved in the case, it all added up to a recipe for disaster...

Are you suggesting that Jones, Clark and Carr encouraged realatives to blackmail them by giving them the evidence they would need to do it? Were they insane?

You underestimate the power of loyalty between friends who were all freemasons - they didn't need an excuse to be insane, it was natural for this group of people to share information about the case with each other...

It is also natural for people to look after their own positions. If those three were masons they would have had loyatly to each other too - the three would have kept quiet to protect each other, not blabbed to Boutlfour.

Is a freemason-based conspiracy the only explanation you have for this turn of events?

[bob]

Robert Boutflour soon realized that if Essex police did not do what the relatives wanted them to do, he and the other relatives would expose the police and bring the force and those in commend to their knees...

Using what evidence? He could say what he liked to the press, but without any concrete proof his accusations would have done nothing to harm the force. People make crazy accusations about the police every day.

Well, its not every day that there is a multiple murder, and police leave all the weapons and ammunitions and a silencer at the scene, so that the relatives could find it and take it away for safe keeping - hows that for a starter?

But that was all public knowledge, and the case was still closed as a murder-suicide. For a blackmail to work they would have needed evidence that was not in the public domain.