you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

This 'Z' seems to be covering several areas of the case.   I would have thought that as a police officer, 'Z' would not have had a broad range of duties linked to the case and would rather have had specific duties?  That might simply be a wrong assumption on my part though.  Can I ask the length of time that this person has been in touch with your self?  A couple of months ago you stated that you had received information with regards to the second shot being by accident.  However I recall that at the time, you stated that this 2nd accidental shot was administered post mortem (which would of course tie in with Dr. Craig's diagnosis according to 'Z'). 

Can I also ask how on earth 'Z' or his disgruntled colleagues were able to get hold of these negatives in the first place? Why would senior officers instigating a cover up allow 'Z' and his disgruntled colleagues to cut these 8 negatives from the strip?

You might conclude, therefore, that 'Z' had access to such material, and evidence...

Why would any police officer cut these negatives from the strip?

So Z is linked to SOC then?  I understand you cant reveal identity etc.  But that is how I read your answer.

I can't and won't reveal the true identity of 'Z', I did say that 'Z' had access to the material, but what I can add is that the firearms team were given access to the photograph negatives and the video footage taken at the scene, this is what 'Z' has told me...

[smiffy]

This 'Z' seems to be covering several areas of the case.   I would have thought that as a police officer, 'Z' would not have had a broad range of duties linked to the case and would rather have had specific duties?  That might simply be a wrong assumption on my part though.  Can I ask the length of time that this person has been in touch with your self?  A couple of months ago you stated that you had received information with regards to the second shot being by accident.  However I recall that at the time, you stated that this 2nd accidental shot was administered post mortem (which would of course tie in with Dr. Craig's diagnosis according to 'Z'). 

Can I also ask how on earth 'Z' or his disgruntled colleagues were able to get hold of these negatives in the first place? Why would senior officers instigating a cover up allow 'Z' and his disgruntled colleagues to cut these 8 negatives from the strip?

One can be sure many officers of lower ranks would have known this case was dodgy and would not be happy and that at some time the sh*t would hit the fan. Fear of this happening and getting caught up in it would have struck many. They are not all fools...they would have been aware and some would have gathered evidence as safegaurds and found out as much as they could to protect their own backsides when needed. When threatened ...as they were...it makes sense to gather as much info as possible.

[Roch]

This 'Z' seems to be covering several areas of the case.   I would have thought that as a police officer, 'Z' would not have had a broad range of duties linked to the case and would rather have had specific duties?  That might simply be a wrong assumption on my part though.  Can I ask the length of time that this person has been in touch with your self?  A couple of months ago you stated that you had received information with regards to the second shot being by accident.  However I recall that at the time, you stated that this 2nd accidental shot was administered post mortem (which would of course tie in with Dr. Craig's diagnosis according to 'Z'). 

Can I also ask how on earth 'Z' or his disgruntled colleagues were able to get hold of these negatives in the first place? Why would senior officers instigating a cover up allow 'Z' and his disgruntled colleagues to cut these 8 negatives from the strip?

One can be sure many officers of lower ranks would have known this case was dodgy and would not be happy and that at some time the sh*t would hit the fan. Fear of this happening and getting caught up in it would have struck many. They are not all fools...they would have been aware and some would have gathered evidence as safegaurds and found out as much as they could to protect their own backsides when needed. When threatened ...as they were...it makes sense to gather as much info as possible.

It's just a pity that 'Z' and his colleagues didn't care much for the preservation of Jeremy Bamber.  They cared for themselves but just went along with sacrificing another person?  Very noble, if true. 

[mike tesko]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

[smiffy]

What "Z" claims about most of Sheila's blood loss being internal...seems to add up.  It going mainly into her airway...hence the expirated blood spots .
Though some blood has trailed from the second wound down to the shoulder area on Sheila I now think its a fairly high chance that most the blood in the right armpit area came out of Sheila's mouth when at some time she had her head tipped forward and to the right. This would be when she had the single wound only...and thus still had a heartbeat to keep losing blood under pressure.

[Roch]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

CCRC must have one of the most negative reputations of any official body.  Quite frankly if what you say is true, then that is absolutely disgraceful.

[mike tesko]

What "Z" claims about most of Sheila's blood loss being internal...seems to add up.  It going mainly into her airway...hence the expirated blood spots .
Though some blood has trailed from the second wound down to the shoulder area on Sheila I now think its a fairly high chance that most the blood in the right armpit area came out of Sheila's mouth when at some time she had her head tipped forward and to the right. This would be when she had the single wound only...and thus still had a heartbeat to keep losing blood under pressure.

Yes, I can go along with that, all I know is that I have been shown a photograph with Sheila only having the lower wound to her neck, and she was on the bed when that photographs was taken. I have previously also seen another photograph of Sheila on the bed, with two wounds on her throat/neck...

It must follow that Sheila was shot by someone after the first photograph was taken, and that her body was moved from the bed to the floor...

[mike tesko]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

CCRC must have one of the most negative reputations of any official body.  Quite frankly if what you say is true, then that is absolutely disgraceful.

I have it on good authority that CCRC have a copy of the video footage taken at the scene, and that Jeremy was not, is not allowed to view or to see it...

[grahameb]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got upstairs into the bedroom

eventually, Dr Craig and Pi Miller arrive at the scene and visit the bedroom and confirm Sheila to be (on the bed) and dead, at a time when she only has one wound to her neck/throat...

Graig was an alcoholic. Had he been drinking so early in the morning? Because it does not seem reasonable to me that (1) a .22 air rifle slug, which is much smaller than a .22 fire arms bullet would shatter as a bullet would? It would probably flatten? and (2) That a doctor could make a mistake in pronouncing Sheila was dead. Because (a) he would feel for a pulse in her neck, this is very easy to find and (b) he would feel her abdomen to calculate how long she was dead. If he did this it would prompt him to look for further signs of life. That is why I wonder if he had been drinking. He was my doctor in thouse days and I can't see him making this kind of mistake?

[guest7363]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

CCRC must have one of the most negative reputations of any official body.  Quite frankly if what you say is true, then that is absolutely disgraceful.

Well said this coupled with the fact that if true,a person on the panel has also seen photo of shiela on the bed. Ithink its cover your back time.

[smiffy]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

CCRC must have one of the most negative reputations of any official body.  Quite frankly if what you say is true, then that is absolutely disgraceful.

I have it on good authority that CCRC have a copy of the video footage taken at the scene, and that Jeremy was not, is not allowed to view or to see it...

Was it not the case that the CCRC thought it the case that JB should not view some photographs of the bodies etc in case he found them disturbing.....which is an odd argument. Going by the stance of JB is guilty and was responsible for the crimes then he would have seen the bodies in real life so any images of them would not be disturbing. However if its truly thought JB would be disturbed by the photographs then the belief used in this thinking is that JB would be viewing things he had not seen before because he was in fact INNOCENT.

[mike tesko]

Was this (PV/20) a .22 bullet, or a .22 pellet?

[grahameb]

Make the comparison, between bullet/pellet PV/20 and the images contained in the Xray, and make up your own mind:-

That picture does in fact look like a flattened air rifle bullet? The distinctive nurled top looks rather like a pellet?

[smiffy]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got upstairs into the bedroom

eventually, Dr Craig and Pi Miller arrive at the scene and visit the bedroom and confirm Sheila to be (on the bed) and dead, at a time when she only has one wound to her neck/throat...

Graig was an alcoholic. Had he been drinking so early in the morning? Because it does not seem reasonable to me that (1) a .22 air rifle slug, which is much smaller than a .22 fire arms bullet would shatter as a bullet would? It would probably flatten? and (2) That a doctor could make a mistake in pronouncing Sheila was dead. Because (a) he would feel for a pulse in her neck, this is very easy to find and (b) he would feel her abdomen to calculate how long she was dead. If he did this it would prompt him to look for further signs of life. That is why I wonder if he had been drinking. He was my doctor in thouse days and I can't see him making this kind of mistake?

If the crime victim suffered neck injuries a doctor checking for signs of life would not want to disturb that area and mess up forensics so checking for a pulse at the neck would be a non-starter. So if he did check he would use other less reliable or clear methods.

[mike tesko]

Make the comparison, between bullet/pellet PV/20 and the images contained in the Xray, and make up your own mind:-

That picture does in fact look like a flattened air rifle bullet? The distinctive nurled top looks rather like a pellet?

We (Jeremy , his legal team, and everyone else who truly believes that there has been a miscarriage of justice in this case) need expert opinion, as to whether or not it is a .22 bullet or a .22 pellet, as shown in this photograph (above)?