you should all know this?

[Roch]

Im a true believer of good over evil and iv'e always thought that people like z exsit and   would come forward inthis case and to take this oppertunity to say well done. I had a similar thing happen to me were even though iwas not involved in a explosive incident i was asked to cover up, i refused and came clean the next day letting a lot of people down as i thought but the guilt i would have carried for the rest of my life far outwayed any friendship. Hope this helps

There's a big difference between one day and 26 years.  I think this aspect goes against the defence because most people find it inconceivable that so many people would go along with sending an innocent man to prison.  I have pondered about this over and over and I believe that something extremely serious must have happened during the raid.  I still feel the police may have discharged weapons.

Sending innocent people to jail is not rare, i dont believe in a jury it is the year 2011 and still using  obsolete methods.

I meant with regards to office holders knowingly doing so, as opposed to jury doing so.

[mertol22]

Im a true believer of good over evil and iv'e always thought that people like z exsit and   would come forward inthis case and to take this oppertunity to say well done. I had a similar thing happen to me were even though iwas not involved in a explosive incident i was asked to cover up, i refused and came clean the next day letting a lot of people down as i thought but the guilt i would have carried for the rest of my life far outwayed any friendship. Hope this helps

There's a big difference between one day and 26 years.  I think this aspect goes against the defence because most people find it inconceivable that so many people would go along with sending an innocent man to prison.  I have pondered about this over and over and I believe that something extremely serious must have happened during the raid.  I still feel the police may have discharged weapons.

Sending innocent people to jail is not rare, i dont believe in a jury it is the year 2011 and still using  obsolete methods.

I meant with regards to office holders knowingly doing so, as opposed to jury doing so.

oh right , i will add them to the list.

[Roch]

Andrea

I just want to make it very clear that Jeremy knows everything that goes on from this every single day he has his 'spies' everywhere

Most of what Ngb posted Jeremy had told me in a letter but I hadn't got permission

I don't know about this z person because I wasn't there and quite clearly there has been so much cloak and dagger stuff in this case nothing surprises me

If this z person is genuine I hope has come forward because he knows the games is well and truly up

I think it would be perfectly acceptable for a number of police officers to get complete immunity from any prosecution as long as the ringleaders are charged and the relatives are charged.

I could believe Mike being followed because a close friend of Jeremys strongly believes her phone is tapped

They will know about every person they feel they need to.  They will be in your computer.  The works.  I've got no doubt about that... (any of us)

[mertol22]

and visa versa, information flows both ways , tapping a phone comes with a high price ask Murdoch

[Roch]

and visa versa, information flows both ways , tapping a phone comes with a high price ask Murdoch

This isn't about gutter journo's hob nobbing with bent coppers. This is about a state cover up, imo.  And when I say that, I mean manipulation from certain quarters only. 

[mertol22]

Like JFK ? The powers responsible then exist to this day, one thing i put together recently was the advent of time of this case, in an ideal world anyone in authority would really like everyone to forget this case and forget anything about the events of 7-8-85, but as we do not live in an ideal world its not going away , and on that im sure certain groups have a problem now ,i hated computers in the early days but know i think of them as a friend if not i would not be typing this reply .

[Roch]

Like JFK ? The powers responsible then exist to this day, one thing i put together recently was the advent of time of this case, in an ideal world anyone in authority would really like everyone to forget this case and forget anything about the events of 7-8-85, but as we do not live in an ideal world its not going away , and on that im sure certain groups have a problem now ,i hated computers in the early days but know i think of them as a friend if not i would not be typing this reply .

Legal students have got hold of it now.  I cant see it getting anything but more contentious and more focused upon. 

[mertol22]

Like JFK ? The powers responsible then exist to this day, one thing i put together recently was the advent of time of this case, in an ideal world anyone in authority would really like everyone to forget this case and forget anything about the events of 7-8-85, but as we do not live in an ideal world its not going away , and on that im sure certain groups have a problem now ,i hated computers in the early days but know i think of them as a friend if not i would not be typing this reply .

Legal students have got hold of it now.  I cant see it getting anything but more contentious and more focused upon.

almost certain they will use computers and not pen and paper.

[Blodwynflower]

If it wasn't for the Internet, this forum wouldn't exist.....

[mertol22]

If it wasn't for the Internet, this forum wouldn't exist.....

my point exactly ,

[mertol22]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...

Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.

IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.

they must be more stupid than i thought

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...

Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.

IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.

they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

[mike tesko]

'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...

Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.

IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.

they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

'Z' showed me a photograph of Sheila on the bed when there was only one wound present there - if you were to look at this photograph and take out the upper entry wound and accompanying trail of blood and fingermarks from it, and also the horizontal type blood trail from the lower wound (which is an overlay from the blood from the upper entry wound, you would be left with the lower entry wound, and a vertical trail of dried blood running from the lower entry wound - this is as close to what I saw regarding blood flow from the lower wound in the photograph which 'Z' showed to me the other day:-

There was no rifle barrel against the neck in the photograph 'Z' showed me...

[mike tesko]

The direction of blood flow from the lower entry wound was similar to that identified in the edited image I have produced. The flow of blood was not very much in photo' shown to me by 'Z' who told me that most of the blood produced by this injury was internal...

[mike tesko]

According to the pathologist, the original PV/20 bullet which caused the lower entry wound was fragmented - here is a copy of a photograph taken by the defense ballistics expert, Major Mead, which was taken during a visit to the lab' prior to the case coming to trial - as you can all see, it was not a whole bullet at that time:-