you should all know this?

[andrea]

 

[mertol22]

shona, whos JTFC?

Jesus titty fucking Christ. Grahame's specs are ant burners. And I like Grahame!!

something for you on 1980s off t shona

[shonapugs]

Oh, God. Did I just say that or think it?

[vidvic]

What stands out to me Grahame is the dislike for Jeremys new solicitor by the people who want to keep Jeremy in prison.
Firstly we had Shona trying to blacken Simons name and now Vidvic making a nasty comment.

That's exactly what I wanted to get out of vidvic was exactly what I expected

There's not many anti Bamber people on the forum but the behaviour of those two says it all

They have not got the slightest interest in getting to the truth

Dearest Jackie,

I did not say anything to insult 'Simon'. You really mustn't tell fibs Jackie.

I was refering to the case and Bambers guilt.

Doesn't matter who you have heading up the case. If he's guilty, he's guilty. If he's not, he's not.

That is why I used the 'lipstick on a pig' expression.

And Grahame, no it wasn't me who introduced 'Simon' to the debate. It was Jackie.

[grahameb]

And Grahame, no it wasn't me who introduced 'Simon' to the debate. It was Jackie.

Yes it was wasn't it. My apologies Vic.

[smiffy]

Ok... I'll bite...

So the police were busy staging Sheila's body for the suicide when the gun they were putting in place went off. She was alive when they were doing this, even though she had been certified dead, but the gun went off and she was finally dead.

And further evidence to support this is that the fatal bullet was of a different calibre to the first, so then they had to fake the reconstitution of the fragmented bullet etc.

So...

Why on Earth would the police be busy staging her suicide with a gun that wasn't the one used for the rest of the murders and the first of Sheila's wounds? It's not even self-consistent, let alone consistent with any of the other theories the pro- posters have used to support JBs innocence so far 

Some people play "thick"...tactic of trolls in my view.

Simple ......Sheila used both the Pargetter and Bamber rifles to kill the other 4. She is then shot by a police weapon in an incident after they entered the house.

Choice ...police admit they screwed up ...or they cover it up....they selected the latter.  There were high profile firearms incidents involving police in the early 80's that meant another police caused death would be politcally very damaging and be very bad for EP ...especially its higher ranked officers.

[smiffy]

Keira. Is that not a personal attack?

I suspect that Mike has not banned me because he understands the English language.

As I have said on at least two occasions, Mike isn't fibbing, it's a tactic.

Which bit of this post do you not understand?

Also, I don't accept this distinction you make between lies and tactics. A tactical lie is still a lie. One who lies for tactical reasons is still a liar.

Surely the relevant point here though Choch, is that Mike has form for this with the Ali Bongo saga? So regardless of whether you call it tactical or a lie it is still not some kind of sacred no-no to accuse Mike of it, given that he has done something very similar in the past?

The same is also true of the Smiffy-Mike dual profile subterfuge if that proves to be true.

I resent your disgusting attack Bob.  I do not and have not posted using any names on this forum other than my own.  You too clearly suggest I am lying as well as suggesting Mike is lying.

Fact ...Bob has a record of making wrong false claims about persons on this forum....as has Hartley and as has Shonapugs.

[smiffy]

Ok... I'll bite...

So the police were busy staging Sheila's body for the suicide when the gun they were putting in place went off. She was alive when they were doing this, even though she had been certified dead, but the gun went off and she was finally dead.

And further evidence to support this is that the fatal bullet was of a different calibre to the first, so then they had to fake the reconstitution of the fragmented bullet etc.

So...

Why on Earth would the police be busy staging her suicide with a gun that wasn't the one used for the rest of the murders and the first of Sheila's wounds? It's not even self-consistent, let alone consistent with any of the other theories the pro- posters have used to support JBs innocence so far 

If two or more weapons were used by one party or another in these shootings, police could not very well stage manage Sheila`s suicide with or by use of both guns, they would have to decide on the spur of the moment, or with use of reasoned logic, which weapon they would be using in the re-arrangement of her body. Any discrepancies in the batch of crime scene bullets recovered from the scene, or from the bodies of victims, could be sorted out later, which is precisely what happened with bullet PV/20...

So multiple weapons were used to kill the other victims? I thought the only suspect bullet was the fragmented one found in Sheila?

Obviously Bob can read and is playing ignorant...typical troll behaviour.

[smiffy]

Mike,

Until now the main Sheila-did-it scenario has involved Sheila shooting herself in the kitchen but not fatally, the police mistakenly assuming her dead, and Sheila escaping upstairs to shoot herself a second time in the main bedroom.

What you are now telling us contradicts this, but you still haven't told us what was supposed to have happened before the police accidently shot Sheila on the bed. If (Z) knows about the accidental shot, then he presumably knows what happened before that, and would surely have told you.

So, once again, I'm asking how Sheila sustained the first shot to the neck. Did she simply shoot herself on the bed? or does the first-shot-in-the-kitchen claim still apply? or does neither of these apply?

If you don't tell us the full story, how are we supposed to decide whether it holds water or not?

Yes, (Z) has given me the account relating to what took place, and the actual sequence of events regarding the two entry wounds sustained by Sheila...

I would not rely on everything "z" says or claims.
In my view I think it unlikely the under chin shot was accidental.  The excuse proffered is lame...checking angles...and would it really be credible for someone to accidentally fire the weapon... Considering it was supposedly handled by a firearms officer...this seems to fall flat.

[smiffy]

Thank you for your apology Kiera and may I apologise for mine too.

Just another thought, but it's been quite quiet on here lately, nothing new, everyone waiting for the CCRC. Is it possible Mike that you just wanted to attract a bit of 'spice' back to the forum?

I am in touch with both Pro and Anti Bamber members and have to say Mike, that if this is a wind up, you might have just mis judged the mood of the Pro bambers, who seem more pissed off than the Anti's, who I think find it mildly amusing.

For what it's worth I also have a feeling that Smiffy is Mike. He seems to have access to similar levels of documentation as Mike and I think today, you answered one of my posts as Smiffy when in fact it was Mike who should have answered. He uses a very similar style to yourself as well.

Just my honest opinion.

So seeing vidvics post I can now declare vidvic to be a fool with bad judgement.

vidvic you are pathetic and sad sad sad...  would you put your money where you mouth is on this issue..of Mike and myself (smiffy) being one and the same person...or better still..stake your life on it...if not then retract....!!!

[mike tesko]

Ok... I'll bite...

So the police were busy staging Sheila's body for the suicide when the gun they were putting in place went off. She was alive when they were doing this, even though she had been certified dead, but the gun went off and she was finally dead.

And further evidence to support this is that the fatal bullet was of a different calibre to the first, so then they had to fake the reconstitution of the fragmented bullet etc.

So...

Why on Earth would the police be busy staging her suicide with a gun that wasn't the one used for the rest of the murders and the first of Sheila's wounds? It's not even self-consistent, let alone consistent with any of the other theories the pro- posters have used to support JBs innocence so far 

If two or more weapons were used by one party or another in these shootings, police could not very well stage manage Sheila`s suicide with or by use of both guns, they would have to decide on the spur of the moment, or with use of reasoned logic, which weapon they would be using in the re-arrangement of her body. Any discrepancies in the batch of crime scene bullets recovered from the scene, or from the bodies of victims, could be sorted out later, which is precisely what happened with bullet PV/20...

So multiple weapons were used to kill the other victims? I thought the only suspect bullet was the fragmented one found in Sheila?

There is evidence that as many as 14 original bullet cases were swapped over (MDF/100) to accommodate the prosecutions one gun crime theory. These original 14 bullet cases were replaced by 14 Ely control cartridge cases which were fired via the .22 Anshulz rifle during unofficial unreported test firings of the gun and control bullets once the nature of the investigation changed in September 1985. This substitution process enabled the ballistic expert to match the 25 bullets from the 25 wounds of the five victims, as all having been fired via the Anshulz rifle...

One of these 25 bullets, included the substitution of the original fragmented bullet PV/20...

There was absolutely no scientific evidence produced at all to link or match any of the 25 bullet cases, to any of the 25 bullets...

Linked to this matter, is the fact that some of the 12 whole crime scene bullets (7), were too heavy, and the other five were too light, for any of them to have been manufactured by Ely. When you consider that one of the 12 whole bullets turns out to be the substituted bullet PV/20, it leaves it open for the other 11 whole bullets, of which 7 were too heavy and the other 4 too light to have not been Eley Ammunition...

These discrepancies and inconsistencies indicate in the clearest possible terms, that Somebody has gone out of their way to make this into a one gun crime...

Who on earth would have any vested interest in making this into a one gun crime, if it wasn't?

(1) - Jeremy, or any would be as yet unidentified hitman?

(2) - Essex police?

(3) - Relatives?

[smiffy]

His C.V is quite impressive, but so was Ewen's.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.....

Why would anyone want to put lipstick on a pig?
To make them attractive.... someone who is into beastiality maybe.......
maybe it says something about the nature of the person making such a claim.

admit nothing...deny everything

[jon]

If JB knew at his trial , it was a two gun crime ,he would have been able to get his defence team to ask a lot of awkward question's !! Not to do so point's to one thing only !

[shonapugs]

His C.V is quite impressive, but so was Ewen's.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.....

Why would anyone want to put lipstick on a pig?
To make them attractive.... someone who is into beastiality maybe.......
maybe it says something about the nature of the person making such a claim.

admit nothing...deny everything

Oh God, smiffy, you do make me laugh!! But why are you having a go at me, you little weirdo? And apologise to Bob and Vic, right now, or I'll tell everyone your little secret.

[bob]

Ok... I'll bite...

So the police were busy staging Sheila's body for the suicide when the gun they were putting in place went off. She was alive when they were doing this, even though she had been certified dead, but the gun went off and she was finally dead.

And further evidence to support this is that the fatal bullet was of a different calibre to the first, so then they had to fake the reconstitution of the fragmented bullet etc.

So...

Why on Earth would the police be busy staging her suicide with a gun that wasn't the one used for the rest of the murders and the first of Sheila's wounds? It's not even self-consistent, let alone consistent with any of the other theories the pro- posters have used to support JBs innocence so far 

Some people play "thick"...

I'll bow to your expertise in this area "smiffy".