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Offline mike tesko

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #240 on: November 04, 2011, 05:13:PM »
Ok... I'll bite...

So the police were busy staging Sheila's body for the suicide when the gun they were putting in place went off. She was alive when they were doing this, even though she had been certified dead, but the gun went off and she was finally dead.

And further evidence to support this is that the fatal bullet was of a different calibre to the first, so then they had to fake the reconstitution of the fragmented bullet etc.

So...

Why on Earth would the police be busy staging her suicide with a gun that wasn't the one used for the rest of the murders and the first of Sheila's wounds? It's not even self-consistent, let alone consistent with any of the other theories the pro- posters have used to support JBs innocence so far  ::)

If two or more weapons were used by one party or another in these shootings, police could not very well stage manage Sheila`s suicide with or by use of both guns, they would have to decide on the spur of the moment, or with use of reasoned logic, which weapon they would be using in the re-arrangement of her body. Any discrepancies in the batch of crime scene bullets recovered from the scene, or from the bodies of victims, could be sorted out later, which is precisely what happened with bullet PV/20...
So multiple weapons were used to kill the other victims? I thought the only suspect bullet was the fragmented one found in Sheila?

There is evidence that as many as 14 original bullet cases were swapped over (MDF/100) to accommodate the prosecutions one gun crime theory. These original 14 bullet cases were replaced by 14 Ely control cartridge cases which were fired via the .22 Anshulz rifle during unofficial unreported test firings of the gun and control bullets once the nature of the investigation changed in September 1985. This substitution process enabled the ballistic expert to match the 25 bullets from the 25 wounds of the five victims, as all having been fired via the Anshulz rifle...

One of these 25 bullets, included the substitution of the original fragmented bullet PV/20...

There was absolutely no scientific evidence produced at all to link or match any of the 25 bullet cases, to any of the 25 bullets...

Linked to this matter, is the fact that some of the 12 whole crime scene bullets (7), were too heavy, and the other five were too light, for any of them to have been manufactured by Ely. When you consider that one of the 12 whole bullets turns out to be the substituted bullet PV/20, it leaves it open for the other 11 whole bullets, of which 7 were too heavy and the other 4 too light to have not been Eley Ammunition...

These discrepancies and inconsistencies indicate in the clearest possible terms, that Somebody has gone out of their way to make this into a one gun crime...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 08:06:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #241 on: November 04, 2011, 05:28:PM »
Keira
Hartley showing the same old attitude

Still cannot make out why a 32 year old man would spend so much time on a forum but nice to see Vidvic is there to back him up in times of trouble

Glad to see you speak to anti's and pro Bamber people and you must admit the help Jeremy is getting now is impressive

I did see you in the early hours reading the posts about Simons appointment but you didn't comment

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« Reply #242 on: November 04, 2011, 05:37:PM »
His C.V is quite impressive, but so was Ewen's.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #243 on: November 04, 2011, 05:44:PM »
Actually Jackie, Jeremy must be really excited with the latest development with Mike?

I take it Mike told Jeremy he was going to meet 'Z' ?

Jeremy's team must be all over 'Z' to see these photos?

Be nice to hear your views....
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #244 on: November 04, 2011, 05:46:PM »
Keira. Is that not a personal attack?

I suspect that Mike has not banned me because he understands the English language.

As I have said on at least two occasions, Mike isn't fibbing, it's a tactic.

Which bit of this post do you not understand?


Also, I don't accept this distinction you make between lies and tactics. A tactical lie is still a lie. One who lies for tactical reasons is still a liar.
Surely the relevant point here though Choch, is that Mike has form for this with the Ali Bongo saga? So regardless of whether you call it tactical or a lie it is still not some kind of sacred no-no to accuse Mike of it, given that he has done something very similar in the past?

The same is also true of the Smiffy-Mike dual profile subterfuge if that proves to be true.
No Bob. Vic said he didn't call Mike a lier, but used tactics to try and flush out potential police witnesses. I said it was still a lier. We weren't saying that it was justified or not justified. But that whatever term you use it is still an accusation that Mike lied. And that is the contention.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #245 on: November 04, 2011, 05:50:PM »
The difference being if Mike is telling the truth and their is a photo of Sheila on the bed Jeremys new lawyer is probably more honest and also I know Simon wants this case out in open and the media involved heavily

Two experts

No 1 Ngb
No 2 Solicitor (or how Shona addressed him a failed barrister)

Vidvic you must admit you will be estatic if Simon get most of the evidence released held under PII

After all Vidvic we all want to get to the truth

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #246 on: November 04, 2011, 05:52:PM »
Actually Jackie, Jeremy must be really excited with the latest development with Mike?

I take it Mike told Jeremy he was going to meet 'Z' ?

Jeremy's team must be all over 'Z' to see these photos?

Be nice to hear your views....
Phew! I thought for a moment there that you did know the latest?

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #247 on: November 04, 2011, 05:53:PM »
Vic, you've been on here all day. What. Slow news day? ::)

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #248 on: November 04, 2011, 05:58:PM »
Vidvic

I should imagine if Mike thought someone could help the case he would probably meet them first to see if they are genuine before getting Jeremy excited about new developments.

Jeremy is snowed under at the moment with the release of new evidence and the exciting new finds


Are you up to date with the latest evidence released?

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« Reply #249 on: November 04, 2011, 06:01:PM »
Vic, you've been on here all day. What. Slow news day? ::)

lol...... very
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #250 on: November 04, 2011, 06:03:PM »
No Jackie, obviously not....... Should I look on Jeremy's web site?.....
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« Reply #251 on: November 04, 2011, 06:05:PM »
Thank you for your apology Kiera and may I apologise for mine too.

Just another thought, but it's been quite quiet on here lately, nothing new, everyone waiting for the CCRC. Is it possible Mike that you just wanted to attract a bit of 'spice' back to the forum?

I am in touch with both Pro and Anti Bamber members and have to say Mike, that if this is a wind up, you might have just mis judged the mood of the Pro bambers, who seem more pissed off than the Anti's, who I think find it mildly amusing.

For what it's worth I also have a feeling that Smiffy is Mike. He seems to have access to similar levels of documentation as Mike and I think today, you answered one of my posts as Smiffy when in fact it was Mike who should have answered. He uses a very similar style to yourself as well.

Just my honest opinion.


Thank you for your apology, Vidvic, which I'm pleased to accept. So we're pals again! How good to debate with a gentleman.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #252 on: November 04, 2011, 06:09:PM »
Keira
Hartley showing the same old attitude

Still cannot make out why a 32 year old man would spend so much time on a forum but nice to see Vidvic is there to back him up in times of trouble

Glad to see you speak to anti's and pro Bamber people and you must admit the help Jeremy is getting now is impressive

I did see you in the early hours reading the posts about Simons appointment but you didn't comment


I thought I did comment on Simon McKay appointment. I must have sent you so many pms regarding this that I thought I'd commented here but hadn't.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #253 on: November 04, 2011, 06:11:PM »
His C.V is quite impressive, but so was Ewen's.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.....


Is that a rather unfair comment do you think, Vidvic? What would your better self say?

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #254 on: November 04, 2011, 06:14:PM »
lol Keira. You only get one apology per day.....  :P
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