you should all know this?

[smiffy]

(Z) says it was not until after second shot went off accidentally and caused the fatal shot under the chin, that police at the scene realized that shiela had not been dead after all, but by that stage Dr Craig had left the scene, and (Z) says this was when another doctor named HARRIS was requested to attend the scene and he verified Sheila as being dead for a second time...

The surname HARRIS crops up a lot and can be confusing in this case.
We have DCS Harris......Divisional Chief Superintendant
We also have DCI Harris..... Detective Chief Inspector (or is it divisional)....though the radio log has him down as Div DCI Harris.

Seems odd that DCI Harris gives an ETA to arrive at Chelmsford (CD)at 8.15 am...
and then there is a message for a landline call to be made between ACC Simpson and DCI Harris AT 8.20am.

another log though has another DCI giving an ETA to arrive at Chelmsford at 8.15 am that is not on the other log... entries at same basic time of 7.42 though... hmm...and this is DCI Jones (taff....the one who had a fatal "accident").


Looking through the various radio logs on the forum there does appear to be a sound case that some fabrication has gone on ...now why would the police want to do that.

[Roch]

Keira. Is that not a personal attack?

I suspect that Mike has not banned me because he understands the English language.

As I have said on at least two occasions, Mike isn't fibbing, it's a tactic.

Which bit of this post do you not understand?

Vic can I please ask your opinion on this:

How would it work as a tactic (to draw out former officers etc) if there was no truth in it?  They would just read it and be baffled surely?

Sure Roch, I'll do my best.

Mike believes that various police officers have things to hide from that morning.
Mike believes that various ex police officers read the forum.
If Mike can make these officers believe that one of them is about to go public with new information then just maybe they might blink and come forward themselves....
That's what I believe he has just tried.
That is why I believe it's a tactic, not a lie.
That is why I believe it to be complete and utter horlicks......

Thanks Vic.

Can I ask if it is your belief though, that there is nothing for those former officers to come forward with? 

Do you agree that it is an extremely odd thing to do for a person with 23 years experience of case research, to employ such specific info (black bible / bed / single shot etc) as a means to pressurise or coax out these former officers?

I mean if the whole thing is a load of tosh, then it doesn't even work as a bluff for Mike Tesko.  It achieves nothing.   

Those eight negatives allegedly cut from the strip, now appear very important.  Surely Mike Tesko couldn't successfully pull off a bluff by way of pretending about the content of those 8 negatives, if that supposed content does not match the memories of what actually took place, in the minds of the former officers present?

Does this make sense?

 

[vidvic]

You make perfect sense Roch.  :D

I took it that these photos shown to Mike are not from the official set. That these police officers luckily had a camera available to shoot some of their own snaps?

[mike tesko]

Because Dr Craig pronounced Sheila as being dead at 8.44am, and she only had one wound at that time, and because I have now seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed with the lower entry wound on her throat and no other entry wound present, it begs an explanation as to how the shot under the chin killed Sheila, if she was already dead, and had been dead since Dr Craig had pronounced her as being dead from a much earlier occasion?

I now have no doubt at all that Dr Craig erred when he declared Sheila to be dead at 8.44 am...

Police are responsible for causing Sheila's death in the bedroom...

[grahameb]

Keira. Is that not a personal attack?

I suspect that Mike has not banned me because he understands the English language.

As I have said on at least two occasions, Mike isn't fibbing, it's a tactic.

Which bit of this post do you not understand?

Vic can I please ask your opinion on this:

How would it work as a tactic (to draw out former officers etc) if there was no truth in it?  They would just read it and be baffled surely?

Sure Roch, I'll do my best.

Mike believes that various police officers have things to hide from that morning.
Mike believes that various ex police officers read the forum.
If Mike can make these officers believe that one of them is about to go public with new information then just maybe they might blink and come forward themselves....
That's what I believe he has just tried.
That is why I believe it's a tactic, not a lie.
That is why I believe it to be complete and utter horlicks......

Forgive me for being thick here Vic. But what you just said however you may dress it up is accusing Mike of not being truthful' In other words he is lying. I'm just wondering if that is how you dress up your stories, by calling less than truthful things "tactics"?

[Roch]

You make perfect sense Roch.  :D

I took it that these photos shown to Mike are not from the official set. That these police officers luckily had a camera available to shoot some of their own snaps?

Well as you've seen, he seems to be alleging that raid team members refused to fully comply with what was being asked of them by their superiors and for security, in the event of the s**t ever hitting the fan, cut these 8 negs from the strip.  Practically, quite how they would be able to do this is unknown to me    The raid team were not after all, crime scene photographers.  If it is true then their superiors certainly seem to have slipped up in allowing this to happen.  Also if true, there must also have been one mighty disagreement between officers / ranks?

[grahameb]

Because Dr Craig pronounced Sheila as being dead at 8.44am, and she only had one wound at that time, and because I have now seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed with the lower entry wound on her throat and no other entry wound present, it begs an explanation as to how the shot under the chin killed Sheila, if she was already dead, and had been dead since Dr Craig had pronounced her as being dead from a much earlier occasion?

I now have no doubt at all that Dr Craig erred when he declared Sheila to be dead at 8.44 am...

Police are responsible for causing Sheila's death in the bedroom...

But Mike please can you explain the photograph posted by "Z"? Because this photo shows Sheila "on the floor" with just "one" bullet hole in her neck. Yet you said you saw her on the bed with just one bullet hole in her neck. AND then you saw a photo with her "one the bed" with two bullet holes in her neck? Why then does the photo that "Z" posted shows Sheila on the floor with just "one" bullet hole in her neck? Did the police move her onto the floor, take a photo with one bullet hole in her neck and then move her back to the bed and take a photo with two bullet holes in her neck and then move her back to the floor again?

[Roch]

Grahame mate, 'Z' in that post is Lamby.  The photo was altered.

[mike tesko]

You make perfect sense Roch.  :D

I took it that these photos shown to Mike are not from the official set. That these police officers luckily had a camera available to shoot some of their own snaps?

So, who took the video tape footage of the scene, since none of SOCO at the scene refer to taking video footage, there is no witness statement stating this and no corresponding notes contained in their respective pocketbooks mentioning who performed this duty?

If no named P/O took the video tape footage of the scene, how did such a video tape come into existence?

[grahameb]

Grahame mate, 'Z' in that post is Lamby.  The photo was altered.

Oh right...doh!

[Hartley]

Grahame mate, 'Z' in that post is Lamby.  The photo was altered.

Oh right...doh!

Gullible? 

[grahameb]

Grahame mate, 'Z' in that post is Lamby.  The photo was altered.

Oh right...doh!

Gullible? 

Yes yes I know Iknow. Don't rub it in.

[mike tesko]

Sheila was only shot once in the throat at the time police took the photograph of Sheila on the bed. She was not dead at this stage, despite the police surgeon Dr Craig claiming that she died or was dead from 8.44am onwards...

[clifford]

Think about it all seriously for a second here. Photographs were not taken until 10am.

That would mean that Sheila and apparently June were on the bed up until that point, so it's no longer just a cock up by the firearms team, they would have been on the bed after all but two of the firearms unit vacated the premises and scene of crimes entered along with other senior officers, the alleged movement of the bodies would have involved so many people, and as Rochy says, makes the logs completely incompatible.

Yes Mike is lying his head off, contrary to the apparent popular belief, this is not a game.

It is however somewhat refreshing to see other people questioning these ridiculous claims, even those in the pro camp. Perhaps people aren't quite so gullible after all. 

I never have been gullable harts, and have trust in my judgement, but I find this latest claim a tad to far, even for my imagination.
Who the f*** meets in a wood to talk about a mans life. Bit too much of Miss Marples here, and I resent having the piss taken out of me. I refuse to grasp at straws, and TBH I think this is a piss take too far.
Whilst I respect Mikes hard work he should not think that the pro Bambers will follow blindly. Bluntly Bollocks is bollocks, and this is bollocks.

[grahameb]

Sheila was only shot once in the throat at the time police took the photograph of Sheila on the bed. She was not dead at this stage, despite the police surgeon Dr Craig claiming that she died or was dead from 8.44am onwards...

But how if she had been pronounced dead by the doctor, how did they know that they killed her?