you should all know this?

[smiffy]

i have always said what i think smiffy, nowt wrong with a bit of bad language, gets the point across quite effectively.

No it does not...It has not worked as proven by this post.
It shows an inability to make a point effectively.

Why expect someone to shut up...are you against freedom of speech when what may be said goes against your views? 

[andrea]

i made my point smiffy end of.

[grahameb]

oh shut the fuck up smiffy you stupid great bore

Careful Andrea.

[andrea]

sorry grahame

[grahameb]

I can confirm that smiffy is not the same person as Mike. They are both online at the same time. Unless of course Mike has the power of teleportation?

[Hartley]

Think about it all seriously for a second here. Photographs were not taken until 10am.

That would mean that Sheila and apparently June were on the bed up until that point, so it's no longer just a cock up by the firearms team, they would have been on the bed after all but two of the firearms unit vacated the premises and scene of crimes entered along with other senior officers, the alleged movement of the bodies would have involved so many people, and as Rochy says, makes the logs completely incompatible.

Yes Mike is lying his head off, contrary to the apparent popular belief, this is not a game.

It is however somewhat refreshing to see other people questioning these ridiculous claims, even those in the pro camp. Perhaps people aren't quite so gullible after all. 

[smiffy]

The logs claim seems a bit iffy.

Something triggered radio messages and calls being made shortly afterwards following the 7.37 message of 1 male and 1 female. These phone calls and call outs went beyond essex police and as info spreads it would be very hard to contain and later alter all the details....ie the situation gets out of control  from any person/persons originating it.
A murder and a suicide....puts both as dead and backtracking will be problematical if its not correct.

[Hartley]

I can confirm that smiffy is not the same person as Mike. They are both online at the same time. Unless of course Mike has the power of teleportation?

That's not necessarily the case either, anybody could log on in seperate browser windows as different user names, add that to a proxy IP address server and you could even make each browser appear as a different IP address.

Although for what it's worth I don't believe they are the same person.

[grahameb]

Think about it all seriously for a second here. Photographs were not taken until 10am.

That would mean that Sheila and apparently June were on the bed up until that point, so it's no longer just a cock up by the firearms team, they would have been on the bed after all but two of the firearms unit vacated the premises and scene of crimes entered along with other senior officers, the alleged movement of the bodies would have involved so many people, and as Rochy says, makes the logs completely incompatible.

Yes Mike is lying his head off, contrary to the apparent popular belief, this is not a game.

It is however somewhat refreshing to see other people questioning these ridiculous claims, even those in the pro camp. Perhaps people aren't quite so gullible after all. 

Not "quite so gullibe"? Does that imply that we are still gullible then?

[andrea]

i have always made my position on this clear, undecided, but lean toward innocence.

but im not gullible and wont just swallow anything fed to me, i question things first.

but what i dont want is fantasy, what good is it doing? who is it serving?

[Hartley]

Think about it all seriously for a second here. Photographs were not taken until 10am.

That would mean that Sheila and apparently June were on the bed up until that point, so it's no longer just a cock up by the firearms team, they would have been on the bed after all but two of the firearms unit vacated the premises and scene of crimes entered along with other senior officers, the alleged movement of the bodies would have involved so many people, and as Rochy says, makes the logs completely incompatible.

Yes Mike is lying his head off, contrary to the apparent popular belief, this is not a game.

It is however somewhat refreshing to see other people questioning these ridiculous claims, even those in the pro camp. Perhaps people aren't quite so gullible after all. 

Not "quite so gullibe"? Does that imply that we are still gullible then?

Yes it does, very much so. Although some more than others.

[Roch]

Hartley, I'm not sure you understand the point I'm making about the logs.

[Z]

Just to put you all out of your agony here is the fucking picture you don't believe exists.

I told you not to tell them Tesko!!

[vidvic]

I have challenged Mike before on seemingly contradictory theories. He explained that sometimes he does this to 'encourage debate'.
Unfortunately, it is becoming harder to work out what exactly Mike actually believes is true.

[dsf]

Unless I've missed something we still haven't been told what (Z) is supposed to have said about the first shot. Who fired it and where, and if Sheila wasn't on the bed or didn't fall on the bed, how did she get there?