you should all know this?

[andrea]

lets have it then.

[andrea]

i know what i think, its all BOLLOCKS.

[grahameb]

I'm Sorry Mike, but this is all rather silly.

You can not 'encourage' ex-policemen to come forward with this silly game.

I`m encouraging no-one,  those who decide to do anything will do it of their own accord, for my part I am happy enough to know what I now know, there was/is a cover up regarding an accidental shooting of Sheila in the bedroom after dr Craig had already declared her to be dead at 8:44am. Let's get the facts right, Dr Craig refers to Sheila having a solitary shot to the neck, and so does PI Miller who accompanied him at the material time. You then have PI Miller attending the opening of the inquest on 14th August, and he telling Deputy Coroner Mr Thompkin that Sheila killed the others before taking her own life by way of a solitary shot...

Add to this the photographic evidence which exists, where Sheila has only one wound on her neck whilst her body was on the bed, and another which was taken later which shows two entry wounds to her neck whilst her body is still on the bed, and it becomes clear that the second shot which according to the pathologist was the shot which killed her instantaneously was inflicted long after Dr Craig had already pronounced her as being dead? How could the second shot be the shot that killed her, if she was already dead?

Mike. If Dr. Craig had already pronounced her dead, to all intents and purposes the police believed her to be dead. Therefore if they did accidentally shoot her how did they know they had killed her?

[Hartley]

So let me get this straight in my mind.

At 7.30 police break in and find Sheila and Nevill in the kitchen.

At some point whilst Police are searching the house Sheila rises from unconciousness (or playing dead with no wounds) and makes her way to the front bedroom where she shoots herself.

She remains there for over an hour where she is declared dead at the scene.

There is then an accidental shooting of Sheila again, on the bed, more photos taken.

Body is then moved to create the scene of a suicide (which it was initially anyway).

This is what you believe happened?

David Bird who took the photographs didn't arrive at whf until 9:20am and didn't start taking photographs until 10am.

A police officer was issued with a .237 centrefire Ruger Mini-14, a high powered weapon, a shot from this weapon would cause much more damage and would have exit wounds, it would be immediately recognisable in comparison to a .22 rimfire. It would also have been heard for miles around, by Jeremy himself perhaps.

Mike also hates the police, by his own admissions and ranting and ravings on this forum, taking the piss out of them with cartoon sketches, calling them 'f****** lying scumbags' and accusing them of pretty much everything from editing witness statements right up to committing the murders themselves. Yet now we are expected to believe that a police officer has ignored all of that and approached Mike in the manner he describes? It's utter fantasy.

Remember "psychic-gate" anyone? 

[andrea]

c'mon mike/smiffy you are the same person, why are you insulting the posters intelligence?

do you really think we are that stupid? i dont think any meeting between an ex cop and yourself happened, i know the forum has gone down the pan lately, but jesus this is stupid beyond words.

decent people post on here and they want the truth, not a load of tosh dreamt up in someones mind.

2 six year old boys had their heads blown off that day, has that been forgotten?

i havent forgotten, so stop the bullshit.

[grahameb]

Sorry Mike we need something tangible or this whole thread is useless even if Vidvic is wrong about you. Because he has put it into any potential police eye witness' mind that you are making it all up. I don't think you are, but that is neither here nor there. Get this Z cars copper to post something here.

[andrea]

z the copper doesnt exist grahame.

i used to believe the pic of sheila on the bed, at least that story was plausible

[andrea]

we are being shit on from a fucking great height.

[smiffy]

So let me get this straight in my mind.

At 7.30 police break in and find Sheila and Nevill in the kitchen.

At some point whilst Police are searching the house Sheila rises from unconciousness (or playing dead with no wounds) and makes her way to the front bedroom where she shoots herself.

She remains there for over an hour where she is declared dead at the scene.

There is then an accidental shooting of Sheila again, on the bed, more photos taken.

Body is then moved to create the scene of a suicide (which it was initially anyway).

This is what you believe happened?

David Bird who took the photographs didn't arrive at whf until 9:20am and didn't start taking photographs until 10am.

A police officer was issued with a .237 centrefire Ruger Mini-14, a high powered weapon, a shot from this weapon would cause much more damage and would have exit wounds, it would be immediately recognisable in comparison to a .22 rimfire. It would also have been heard for miles around, by Jeremy himself perhaps.

Mike also hates the police, by his own admissions and ranting and ravings on this forum, taking the piss out of them with cartoon sketches, calling them 'f****** lying scumbags' and accusing them of pretty much everything from editing witness statements right up to committing the murders themselves. Yet now we are expected to believe that a police officer has ignored all of that and approached Mike in the manner he describes? It's utter fantasy.

Remember "psychic-gate" anyone? 

What Bird claimed is just that so is open to question as to being correct or not.

the rifle mentioned was described as .223 calibre in Mildenhalls statement. The person who had it was an officer who supposedly never entered the house. We have no details about weapons used in the house other than the very dodgy claims by Hall that he was armed with a shotgun. The actions he claimed in his statement do not tally with him being armed with a shotgun.

careful about claiming others posts are utter fantasy ....eh .... "steve" aka Hartley....

[andrea]

oh shut the fuck up smiffy you stupid great bore

[smiffy]

c'mon mike/smiffy you are the same person, why are you insulting the posters intelligence?

do you really think we are that stupid? i dont think any meeting between an ex cop and yourself happened, i know the forum has gone down the pan lately, but jesus this is stupid beyond words.

decent people post on here and they want the truth, not a load of tosh dreamt up in someones mind.

2 six year old boys had their heads blown off that day, has that been forgotten?

i havent forgotten, so stop the bullshit.

Poor andrea....wrong on your wild suggestion that I and Mike are the same person.
I have my own thoughts on this case ...and on the actions of Z as reported by Mike but am not going to divulge as it needs sensitive treatment.

[smiffy]

oh shut the fuck up smiffy you stupid great bore

aww showing yourself in your true colours now ...long suspected and now confirmed.

why swear...I don't need to.

[vidvic]

Blimey smiffy! You have a sensitive side.......

[andrea]

i have always said what i think smiffy, nowt wrong with a bit of bad language, gets the point across quite effectively.

[Roch]

Do not forget that Z (whether it be Mike or a former member of EP linked to the case) has trashed the validity of the logs. 

If Z is indeed a just another forum game, then there would be no need to trash the validity of the logs.  There is a scenario left open for Sheila to play dead or even be unconscious as police sweep through the farmhouse.  Z has removed that option outright, thereby trashing one of the main defence arguments.  You have to ask why a forum game instigated by Mike would go to those lengths, imo.