you should all know this?

[vidvic]

Smiffy,

I don't believe a word of this whole 'prosecution witness' story from Mike.

And please, show me something of 'substance' to prove that any of this story is anything more than a figment of Mike's imagination.

[grahameb]

If any of this is true I will never get over the wickedness of people setting someone up for a lifetime in prison

How could anyone

If it happened to me I would have committed suicide I couldn't have handled it

I would have arranged to kill THEM if it happened to me.

[grahameb]

I'm Sorry Mike, but this is all rather silly.

You can not 'encourage' ex-policemen to come forward with this silly game.

You appear to be calling Mike a lier Vic?

[grahameb]

particularly so, because police officers were given reassurances from the DPP`s office that they would not be prosecuted, so I think the ones who own up will not appear in the dock at peril of being convicted and being sent to prison...

I have thought this for a long time now.  For me it helps explain Bews and Miller's forays in to the world of television and Stan Jones piping up via local newspapers.  If the police officers were told this then where does that leave any relatives regarding the silencer issue?  Were they not also 'protected' by default, in light of reassurances given to police?

Any police officer wishing to come forward is in the unenviable position of contemplating dobbing his former colleagues in the proverbial.  This in my view has also hampered the truth from coming out.  I would like to see the poster 'Ron Cook' add to this thread.

If all this is true then it threatens the way people will view the whole British justice system. Because it is a direct threat to the confidence that people have in our legal organisation and needs to be dealt with and investigated at Government level, not on this forum.

[grahameb]

When I say if this is true I don't mean that I doubt Mike like Vidvic apparently does? I mean that I think Mike might be taken for a ride by this "Z" character. I rather feel that he is being lead up the garden path by this man. If this "z" is for real and watches the forum as Mike said he does, then what has he got to lose by posting just one of these photographs on the forum? Will he be found out? Of course not. Why? Because he has already said that several of the officers have kept copies and one has the negatives. Is he afraid for his coleagues? He doesn't have to be. It might even flush the beggars out of hiding so that they own up to this whole rats nest of lies. So I challenge him/her to do the right thing and come out of the closet. If thats the right word?

[grahameb]

If this "Z" (probably from Z cars TV cops) does not post something in his favour, then I can only think that his whole story to Mike is a wind up and must be binned like a lot of other silly stories that have been posted on this forum.

[vidvic]

No Grahame, Mike is on a 'fishing trip'. He believes ex police officers read the forum and he believes they have things to hide. He hopes that one of them, if they think an ex colleague is about to break ranks, may come forward with information. It's a tactic.

Of course, why did no one come forward with any information when Bamber was offering a million pound reward?

Why show Mike pictures which they were not prepared to be given to the defence, when those pictures would lead to almost instant CCRC action?

Why communicate in a bizarre one sided conversation in open forum?

Do you really believe Sheila could be pronounced dead at the scene, whilst still alive?

[grahameb]

No Grahame, Mike is on a 'fishing trip'. He believes ex police officers read the forum and he believes they have things to hide. He hopes that one of them, if they think an ex colleague is about to break ranks, may come forward with information. It's a tactic.

Of course, why did no one come forward with any information when Bamber was offering a million pound reward?

Why show Mike pictures which they were not prepared to be given to the defence, when those pictures would lead to almost instant CCRC action?

Why communicate in a bizarre one sided conversation in open forum?

Do you really believe Sheila could be pronounced dead at the scene, whilst still alive?

Let me put it another way. So you think Mike is making it up and trying to deceive us all then?

[Roch]

No Grahame, Mike is on a 'fishing trip'. He believes ex police officers read the forum and he believes they have things to hide. He hopes that one of them, if they think an ex colleague is about to break ranks, may come forward with information. It's a tactic.

Of course, why did no one come forward with any information when Bamber was offering a million pound reward?

Why show Mike pictures which they were not prepared to be given to the defence, when those pictures would lead to almost instant CCRC action?

Why communicate in a bizarre one sided conversation in open forum?

Do you really believe Sheila could be pronounced dead at the scene, whilst still alive?

Vic, you're not the only forum member who holds reservations about (Z).  However with the number of police blunders that the defence and supporters are expected (by your side) to simply write-off as mistakes but nothing sinister... It's a bit rich if your side then dismisses out of hand, the potential for additional, previously unknown blunders coming to light.  That said, I respect your right to post up your views. 

[clifford]

No Grahame, Mike is on a 'fishing trip'. He believes ex police officers read the forum and he believes they have things to hide. He hopes that one of them, if they think an ex colleague is about to break ranks, may come forward with information. It's a tactic.

Of course, why did no one come forward with any information when Bamber was offering a million pound reward?

Why show Mike pictures which they were not prepared to be given to the defence, when those pictures would lead to almost instant CCRC action?

Why communicate in a bizarre one sided conversation in open forum?

Do you really believe Sheila could be pronounced dead at the scene, whilst still alive?

Vic, I havn't bought into Z yet, but could the reason no one came forward for a million pounds was because at the time they thought nothing would be uncovered, but maybe, just maybe the cracks are starting to show.

[mike tesko]

I'm Sorry Mike, but this is all rather silly.

You can not 'encourage' ex-policemen to come forward with this silly game.

I`m encouraging no-one,  those who decide to do anything will do it of their own accord, for my part I am happy enough to know what I now know, there was/is a cover up regarding an accidental shooting of Sheila in the bedroom after dr Craig had already declared her to be dead at 8:44am. Let's get the facts right, Dr Craig refers to Sheila having a solitary shot to the neck, and so does PI Miller who accompanied him at the material time. You then have PI Miller attending the opening of the inquest on 14th August, and he telling Deputy Coroner Mr Thompkin that Sheila killed the others before taking her own life by way of a solitary shot...

Add to this the photographic evidence which exists, where Sheila has only one wound on her neck whilst her body was on the bed, and another which was taken later which shows two entry wounds to her neck whilst her body is still on the bed, and it becomes clear that the second shot which according to the pathologist was the shot which killed her instantaneously was inflicted long after Dr Craig had already pronounced her as being dead? How could the second shot be the shot that killed her, if she was already dead?

[vidvic]

Yes Mike, I understand that you are finding information from all the documents you hold and are trying to make a story from them that makes sense to you. I also understand that you will use whatever tactics you see fit to try to encourage further information 'from out of the woodwork', so to speak, but why the drama?

Any chance of seeing the transcripts from the police interviews with Jeremy AFTER he was arrested? As opposed to the ones when he wasn't a suspect?

[andrea]

just tell us the coppers name mike, like i said last night, he can always deny it?

[vidvic]

So let me get this straight in my mind.

At 7.30 police break in and find Sheila and Nevill in the kitchen.

At some point whilst Police are searching the house Sheila rises from unconciousness (or playing dead with no wounds) and makes her way to the front bedroom where she shoots herself.

She remains there for over an hour where she is declared dead at the scene.

There is then an accidental shooting of Sheila again, on the bed, more photos taken.

Body is then moved to create the scene of a suicide (which it was initially anyway).

This is what you believe happened?

[smiffy]

So let me get this straight in my mind.

At 7.30 police break in and find Sheila and Nevill in the kitchen.

At some point whilst Police are searching the house Sheila rises from unconciousness (or playing dead with no wounds) and makes her way to the front bedroom where she shoots herself.

She remains there for over an hour where she is declared dead at the scene.

There is then an accidental shooting of Sheila again, on the bed, more photos taken.

Body is then moved to create the scene of a suicide (which it was initially anyway).

This is what you believe happened?

I think something very different.