you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

Good afternoon all

Mike, please may I ask the following.....

The three photographs that you have viewed, have they been kept by your informant since the tragedy?

I am assuming that they are part of the batch of photographs currently withheld under PII?

Thankyou.

Yes, (Z) told me that several officers kept copies of some of the photographs and other material, after they were ordered to give a false account about finding Sheila's body on the bedroom floor by the side of the bed with the gun atop it and a blue bible nearby. (Z) says they were given these specific instructions after being ordered to attend a special debriefing on 19th September 1985. (Z) says that statements were prepared for almost all of the officers by one of the seniors, and dated, 19th and some 20th September 1985 and that many of the firearms officers refused to sign the prepared statements because the contents were not true...

(Z) only brought three photographs to show me today, there are five others, eight in total - photographs which correspond to the missing negatives which were cut out and kept by one of the disgruntled officers as insurance should there come a time when they might be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice, and perjury. (Z) says but for the removal of these eight negatives from the reel of film, the corresponding eight pictures would have been withheld under pii, but because they do not form part of the official evidence, they are not covered by pii...

[mike tesko]

If what you say is true then these photographs are vital evidence and hope on the strength of this that person who showed them to you has the decency to give them to the appropriate authorities. I would have been much more underhanded when dealing with this informant. I would have gone there wired and with a secret . I wonder why he contacted you Mike?

If the photographs I was shown today were officially disclosed to the CCRC the case would almost certainly be referred back to the court of appeal, and the convictions would be quashed. (Z) is a member/guest of the forum...

[DCrump]

So is Z prepared to give these to J's team, or go public or what? Why didn't he bring all 8? I hate to say this (sorry if he's reading) but is he asking for payment?

[mike tesko]

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...

Do you now suspect Ralph of being one of the killers then Mike?

(Z) told me that the police were originally working on the assumption that although Sheila was primarily responsible for instigating the events that sparked off all the shootings, that Ralph and June were at one stage suspected of taking possession of a weapon with a view to using it to defend themselves. This was why the press got into a bit of a mix up by originally declaring that JUNE Bamber had shot and killed everyone...

It now seems clear to me that when Ralph made the call to Jeremy, to try and lure him to the farm so that Sheila could shoot him as well, that Ralph was already wounded in his arm. (Z) told me that blood from this injury dripped onto the floor directly beneath where Ralphs bloodied fingermarks were left/found on the edge of the worktop in the kitchen. I was show a photograph today, which pinpoints the dripped blood from an injury to Ralph Bambers arm, on the floor beneath where the bloodied finger marks are situated on the edge of the worktop near to the box of ammunition and the telephone hand set off its cradle. (Z) says that Ralph picked up the handset of the telephone using his uninjured/uncontaminated hand/arm...

[mike tesko]

So is Z prepared to give these to J's team, or go public or what? Why didn't he bring all 8? I hate to say this (sorry if he's reading) but is he asking for payment?

(Z) has taken a massive step forward by doing what got done today, we will have to wait and see whether or not (Z) and the others do the right thing and come forward, and declare this missing evidence, and own up to what senior officers ordered them to do, to cover up for Sheila getting shot for the second time after the police surgeon, Dr Craig, had already confirmed her as being dead, from an injury which the pathologist says elsewhere was not instantaneously fatal? (Z) says Sheila was not dead when Dr Craig confirmed her as being dead, she did not die until the second shot went off under her chin at a time when police were trying to fathom out how she had shot herself in the side of the neck? (Z) says whilst a loaded gun was being presented upon her body with a view of trying to determine the angle at which it must have been offered into position to fire the shot to the side of the neck (lower wound), how rifle was still loaded with a bullet in the breach, which went off and shot Sheila under the chin and killed her, instantaneously...

This was what the clover up was all about - the infliction of the second shot under the chin, that occurred because of a massive police blunder, at a time when the police surgeon, Dr Craig had already declared her to be dead...

[arkanoid]

(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

Mike,

Did your informant cast any light on why the police took a photo of Sheila with only one wound?
i.e. when he was presumably still alive?

This is completely illogical to me 

[mike tesko]

(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

Mike,

Did your informant cast any light on why the police took a photo of Sheila with only one wound?
i.e. when he was presumably still alive?

This is completely illogical to me 

photograph taken of the solitary wound to Sheila's neck must have been taken at a time when they thought she was dead in keeping with the pronouncement made by Dr Craig who verified or confirmed death in her case at around 8:44am. Second photograph showing both wounds was obviously taken after the accident when the gun had gone off during mishandling of the rife and the body there afterwards...

[mike tesko]

(Z) says it was not until after second shot went off accidentally and caused the fatal shot under the chin, that police at the scene realized that shiela had not been dead after all, but by that stage Dr Craig had left the scene, and (Z) says this was when another doctor named HARRIS was requested to attend the scene and he verified Sheila as being dead for a second time...

[arkanoid]

(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

Mike,

Did your informant cast any light on why the police took a photo of Sheila with only one wound?
i.e. when he was presumably still alive?

This is completely illogical to me 

photograph taken of the solitary wound to Sheila's neck must have been taken at a time when they thought she was dead in keeping with the pronouncement made by Dr Craig who verified or confirmed death in her case at around 8:44am. Second photograph showing both wounds was obviously taken after the accident when the gun had gone off during mishandling of the rife and the body there afterwards...

So how does this fit in with the one-dead-male-one-dead-female theory of Sheila being in the kitchen on entry and then recovering from one shot and running up the back stairs? By the time the one-shot photo was taken the house would have been crawling with police, soco etc. so no way could she have done the runner after that surely?

[mike tesko]

If second shot under the chin was inflicted accidentally by mishandling of the rifle and body by the police, why did they feel it was necessary to substitute the original fragmented bullet, PV/20, for a whole one?

(Z) says this was done to try and make this into a one gun  crime, where Sheila was shot twice in quick succession by use of the same gun, but that in reality Sheila was shot twice by use of two different weapons, with a delay between both shots being fired...

[DCrump]

(Z) says it was not until after second shot went off accidentally and caused the fatal shot under the chin, that police at the scene realized that shiela had not been dead after all, but by that stage Dr Craig had left the scene, and (Z) says this was when another doctor named HARRIS was requested to attend the scene and he verified Sheila as being dead for a second time...

Why did they realise she hadn't been dead, how did they know they hadn't just shot a dead body? Sorry, I realise you would probably need to ask Z that.

I don't recall seeing anything about a Dr Harris before, is there anything about him on the forum already?

[mike tesko]

(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

Mike,

Did your informant cast any light on why the police took a photo of Sheila with only one wound?
i.e. when he was presumably still alive?

This is completely illogical to me 

photograph taken of the solitary wound to Sheila's neck must have been taken at a time when they thought she was dead in keeping with the pronouncement made by Dr Craig who verified or confirmed death in her case at around 8:44am. Second photograph showing both wounds was obviously taken after the accident when the gun had gone off during mishandling of the rife and the body there afterwards...

So how does this fit in with the one-dead-male-one-dead-female theory of Sheila being in the kitchen on entry and then recovering from one shot and running up the back stairs? By the time the one-shot photo was taken the house would have been crawling with police, soco etc. so no way could she have done the runner after that surely?

Wait until you hear what (Z) had to say about that?

[arkanoid]

(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

Mike,

Did your informant cast any light on why the police took a photo of Sheila with only one wound?
i.e. when he was presumably still alive?

This is completely illogical to me 

photograph taken of the solitary wound to Sheila's neck must have been taken at a time when they thought she was dead in keeping with the pronouncement made by Dr Craig who verified or confirmed death in her case at around 8:44am. Second photograph showing both wounds was obviously taken after the accident when the gun had gone off during mishandling of the rife and the body there afterwards...

So how does this fit in with the one-dead-male-one-dead-female theory of Sheila being in the kitchen on entry and then recovering from one shot and running up the back stairs? By the time the one-shot photo was taken the house would have been crawling with police, soco etc. so no way could she have done the runner after that surely?

Wait until you hear what (Z) had to say about that?

Do tell...

[mike tesko]

(Z) says it was not until after second shot went off accidentally and caused the fatal shot under the chin, that police at the scene realized that shiela had not been dead after all, but by that stage Dr Craig had left the scene, and (Z) says this was when another doctor named HARRIS was requested to attend the scene and he verified Sheila as being dead for a second time...

Why did they realise she hadn't been dead, how did they know they hadn't just shot a dead body? Sorry, I realise you would probably need to ask Z that.

I don't recall seeing anything about a Dr Harris before, is there anything about him on the forum already?

Blood, the way it started to run out of the wound and aspirated blood that forced onto the top part of her nightdress at the material time/moment...

[Roch]

Mike,

Are you able to give an opinion on post number 13?

What's the chance that Z will break cover on the forum? Probably highly unlikely I would have thought.
Z - any chance of a pm?