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Offline mike tesko

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you should all know this?
« on: November 03, 2011, 02:22:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 02:29:PM »
(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Do you now suspect Ralph of being one of the killers then Mike?

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 02:46:PM »
Very exciting new information (not that I have assimilated it into my thinking yet).

But on the basis of your trip this morning(no copies/photos, etc.) is it evidence which is likely to be produced at any future stage? I have no doubts about what you have seen today and in the past, but in doesn't progress things much until it is in the public domain, or aat least in the hands of JB's solicitors.

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 02:57:PM »
I am gobsmacked by what I have been told today, and after being shown three Photographs which I had not seen before. - I am flabbergasted...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 02:59:PM »
I am gobsmacked by what I have been told today, and after being shown three Photographs which I had not seen before. - I am flabbergasted...
Are you not going to tell us then?

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 03:07:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...

So the photographs mentioned would lend to the view that one shot at least was delivered by a police officer...and

the x ray fragments....of the first bullet...hmmm by my reckoning the fragments are from a bullet larger than a .22 calibre...  something closer to a diameter of 10 mm would fit better....so who's weapon fired that?...and if of a larger calibre it explains why the fragmented bullet had to be swapped !

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 03:12:PM »
I am gobsmacked by what I have been told today, and after being shown three Photographs which I had not seen before. - I am flabbergasted...

I've always suspected that 'Shaw' was given a sanitised version of what took place at WHF. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 03:20:PM »
If what you say is true then these photographs are vital evidence and hope on the strength of this that person who showed them to you has the decency to give them to the appropriate authorities. I would have been much more underhanded when dealing with this informant. I would have gone there wired and with a secret camera. I wonder why he contacted you Mike?

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 05:06:PM »
Good afternoon all

Mike, please may I ask the following.....

The three photographs that you have viewed, have they been kept by your informant since the tragedy?

I am assuming that they are part of the batch of photographs currently withheld under PII?

Thankyou.
".....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 06:34:PM »
(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Do you now suspect Ralph of being one of the killers then Mike?





More likely he was shot after/during making phone call. 

Presumably, these are the fingermarks on edge of worktop?

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 06:49:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Mike, in the photograph showing only one bullet wound to Sheila's neck. Which bullet wound is it, the top one or the lower one?

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 07:46:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Mike, in the photograph showing only one bullet wound to Sheila's neck. Which bullet wound is it, the top one or the lower one?
Black Bible? ....I'm intrigued! Mike, look forward to more on this x

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 07:50:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Mike, in the photograph showing only one bullet wound to Sheila's neck. Which bullet wound is it, the top one or the lower one?

The lower one, with what I believe to be a silencers mark around it, one under chin is missing in the picture (Z) showed me this afternoon. I couldn't believe it when (Z) showed it to me, there was just the lower neck wound, the one under the chin was inflicted after this photograph was taken (this is what (Z) told me today)...

This was why Dr Craig (police surgeon) and PI "Bob" Miller, referred to Sheila only having one wound at the time they first viewed her body in the bedroom. Also, why Miller told the deputy coroner, Mr Thompkin that Sheila shot and killed the others and that she had then taken her own life with a solitary shot...

I am flabbergasted by what I have been shown today...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 08:02:PM »
(1) Two contrasting Photographs which show Sheila on the bed exist, in one she has two entry wounds to her neck, yet other one only shows one

(2) Black bible was photographed on bed

(3) Blood dripped onto kitchen floor from arm of person who left bloodied finger marks, and that person was non other than Ralph Bamber...
Mike, in the photograph showing only one bullet wound to Sheila's neck. Which bullet wound is it, the top one or the lower one?

The lower one, with what I believe to be a silencers mark around it, one under chin is missing in the picture (Z) showed me this afternoon. I couldn't believe it when (Z) showed it to me, there was just the lower neck wound, the one under the chin was inflicted after this photograph was taken (this is what (Z) told me today)...

This was why Dr Craig (police surgeon) and PI "Bob" Miller, referred to Sheila only having one wound at the time they first viewed her body in the bedroom. Also, why Miller told the deputy coroner, Mr Thompkin that Sheila shot and killed the others and that she had then taken her own life with a solitary shot...

I am flabbergasted by what I have been shown today...

It has been asked on here by my self and others if Sheila could have 'played dead' downstairs?  She may not be not significantly injured if no shot was received downstairs and therefore not hampered in any subsequent movements, as the raid team sweep through the farmhouse rooms.  Where do these alleged photographs leave both the circular blood pattern on the master bedroom carpet and report 1612*? 

*(Not that it is known exactly what this report refers to).

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 08:03:PM »
Why has this former police person not come forward earlier if he/she is in possession of such explosive evidence as photographs of Sheila with one bullet hole to her neck?