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Offline mike tesko

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1110 on: November 15, 2011, 09:04:PM »
Confirmation that some photographs were missing along with negatives under the control of ACC Peter Simpson, for lecture purposes...

COLP knew about this in 1991...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1111 on: November 15, 2011, 09:07:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it? 

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« Reply #1112 on: November 15, 2011, 09:13:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it?

Sorry, cross posted.  I didn't see your notes. 

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1113 on: November 15, 2011, 09:13:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it?

Well...

we now know that ACC Peter Simpson, had an album containing all 581 photographs which had been taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), the full contents of which have so far not yet been disclosed. We know that this album of 581 pictures was called "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM", but nobody has claimed to be the one who put it all together...

It is believed that Robert BOUTFLOUR got wind of the existence of this album under the control of ACC SIMPSON, and that this is what he was armed with (information about its existence) when he went to see him on 6th September 1985, and got him to change his mind and instigate a fresh investigation...

Boutflour received information about this covert photographic album (581) from police officers who were in on the cover up, and who were also freemason colleagues, of himself, Ralph Bamber and Simpson...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1114 on: November 15, 2011, 09:28:PM »
Copies of GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS of interest:-
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« Reply #1115 on: November 15, 2011, 09:29:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it?

Well...

we now know that ACC Peter Simpson, had an album containing all 581 photographs which had been taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), the full contents of which have so far not yet been disclosed. We know that this album of 581 pictures was called "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM", but nobody has claimed to be the one who put it all together...

It is believed that Robert BOUTFLOUR got wind of the existence of this album under the control of ACC SIMPSON, and that this is what he was armed with (information about its existence) when he went to see him on 6th September 1985, and got him to change his mind and instigate a fresh investigation...

Boutflour received information about this covert photographic album (581) from police officers who were in on the cover up, and who were also freemason colleagues, of himself, Ralph Bamber and Simpson...

Right.  We need to settle this for once and all.  I have questions.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1116 on: November 15, 2011, 09:33:PM »
SHEILA CAFFELLS nightdress - Exhibit Ref:- ND/3

Why no blood staining mentioned as being present upon it?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1117 on: November 15, 2011, 09:38:PM »
Ralph Bambers pyjama top:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1118 on: November 15, 2011, 09:39:PM »
Glynis Howard experiments with gun and silencer...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1119 on: November 15, 2011, 09:49:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it?

Well...

we now know that ACC Peter Simpson, had an album containing all 581 photographs which had been taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), the full contents of which have so far not yet been disclosed. We know that this album of 581 pictures was called "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM", but nobody has claimed to be the one who put it all together...

It is believed that Robert BOUTFLOUR got wind of the existence of this album under the control of ACC SIMPSON, and that this is what he was armed with (information about its existence) when he went to see him on 6th September 1985, and got him to change his mind and instigate a fresh investigation...

Boutflour received information about this covert photographic album (581) from police officers who were in on the cover up, and who were also freemason colleagues, of himself, Ralph Bamber and Simpson...

Right.  We need to settle this for once and all.  I have questions.

Do you have access to a register which lists the names of all freemasons, and the lodges they frequent?  If you did then that would be a good starting point - check the names of all the police officers involved in the case against such a register, and check out Robert Boutflour, and Ralf Baber, and the trial judge, and the judges of appeal, and those in control at the DPP/CPS, the list is potentially endless...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1120 on: November 15, 2011, 09:54:PM »
Out and about...

I am off up to Scotland in a few minutes, Stirlingshire, Aberdeenshire, but will have my trusted Blackberry with me throughout the night, so I can log in and debate...

I will post more revealing documents tomorrow once I return...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1121 on: November 15, 2011, 09:58:PM »
Lecture purposes?  That's got to be absolute bollocks though hasn't it?

Well...

we now know that ACC Peter Simpson, had an album containing all 581 photographs which had been taken in connection with these investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85), the full contents of which have so far not yet been disclosed. We know that this album of 581 pictures was called "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM", but nobody has claimed to be the one who put it all together...

It is believed that Robert BOUTFLOUR got wind of the existence of this album under the control of ACC SIMPSON, and that this is what he was armed with (information about its existence) when he went to see him on 6th September 1985, and got him to change his mind and instigate a fresh investigation...

Boutflour received information about this covert photographic album (581) from police officers who were in on the cover up, and who were also freemason colleagues, of himself, Ralph Bamber and Simpson...

Right.  We need to settle this for once and all.  I have questions.

Do you have access to a register which lists the names of all freemasons, and the lodges they frequent?  If you did then that would be a good starting point - check the names of all the police officers involved in the case against such a register, and check out Robert Boutflour, and Ralf Baber, and the trial judge, and the judges of appeal, and those in control at the DPP/CPS, the list is potentially endless...

No I do not.  But I have questions about RWB vs ACC Simpson.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1122 on: November 15, 2011, 10:05:PM »
Don't overdo it Mike, take it easy xx
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1123 on: November 15, 2011, 10:13:PM »
Who is saying that RWB is believed to have got wind of the SIO?  That's not been mentioned before.

If RWB is aware of some form concealment via withheld photos re events at WHF, is it not likely that he would demand to know the nature of the concealment / photographs? 

Is the suggestion that RWB demanded such answers but such answers were not forthcoming from ACC Simpson?  That doesn't work for me.  Since that would involve RWB having only limited knowledge that all was not what it should be regarding the raid and/or Sheila's death.  Yet still demanding Jeremy be put in the frame for the killings?  (There would be a doubt in RWB's mind whether Jeremy was involved, yet he would ignore that doubt and insist Jeremy was investigated??) 

Or is the suggestion that RWB received the answers that he had sought regarding the contents of the SIO and events at WHF?  I find that difficult to believe also.  Because that scenario would lead to an utter callousness on the part of RWB.  Since he would then be knowingly insisting that an innocent Jeremy be put in the frame for the killings. 
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1124 on: November 16, 2011, 01:04:AM »
Who is saying that RWB is believed to have got wind of the SIO?  That's not been mentioned before.

If RWB is aware of some form concealment via withheld photos re events at WHF, is it not likely that he would demand to know the nature of the concealment / photographs? 

Is the suggestion that RWB demanded such answers but such answers were not forthcoming from ACC Simpson?  That doesn't work for me.  Since that would involve RWB having only limited knowledge that all was not what it should be regarding the raid and/or Sheila's death.  Yet still demanding Jeremy be put in the frame for the killings?  (There would be a doubt in RWB's mind whether Jeremy was involved, yet he would ignore that doubt and insist Jeremy was investigated??) 

Or is the suggestion that RWB received the answers that he had sought regarding the contents of the SIO and events at WHF?  I find that difficult to believe also.  Because that scenario would lead to an utter callousness on the part of RWB.  Since he would then be knowingly insisting that an innocent Jeremy be put in the frame for the killings.

RWB was being given information by various friends and contacts who were mason colleagues, and some who were poilice officers, others still who were family of serving police officers, like Jim Carr whose son, Robbie, worked for the Met` police, was a typical source where RWB found out useful information that he later put to use in persuading his friend, Peter Simpson, to commence an investigation into the handling of the investigation thus far, RWB did not go there to ask Simpson to arrest Jeremy, he went there to lodge a complaint against DCI `Taff` Jones,  and to remonstrate over the things brought to his attention by informants in the know...

The investigation did not miraculously alter course on the day RWB confronted Simpson, this is borne out by the fact that DCS `Mick` Ainsleys appointment did not take effect, until after a brief investigation by another senior officer was duly carried out. It was not until mid September, and after the first arrest and release of Bamber on 13th September, that Ainsley took over officially...

The complaints made by RWB were serious ones, for example, he was aware that Sheila`s body had been found downstairs, and that Sheila was still alive, long after Dr Craig, the police surgeon, had pronounced her as being dead... 
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