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Offline mike tesko

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Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« on: January 20, 2011, 08:40:PM »
Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell - found by Ann Eaton at the scene

They said that Sheila was injury free, and that her fingernails were well manicured, and free from damage -but this is not what inquiries, which have been made on Jeremy's behalf, by "Kodak man" (Mr Sutherst), who has enlarged photographs taken during autopsy showing Sheila's hands, fingers and fingernails...

New evidence obtained by Mr Sutherst, shows Sheila's fingernails to be damaged, and one is missing altogether...

Jeremy recently told me that Ann Eaton found one of Sheila's fingernails at the scene, which is very interesting, since the person who scratched and gouged Ralph Bambers right forearm, may have broken a fingernail or pulled it off when they inflicted this injury to him...
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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 08:43:PM »
Where was loose fingernail belonging to Shela found at the scene, by Ann Eaton, and when?

I am trying to ascertain where this loose fingernail was found or recovered from, since when this is established it may help to identify the location inside the farmhouse, when Sheila scratched and gouged Ralph's arm...
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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 12:04:PM »
Mike - with reference to:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GBoXf__1A4QJ:www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/downloads/bamber/BAMBERCCRC_addendum_06_06_2004.doc+bamber+2002+appeal&cd=57&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
[2004]

It says that the person who attacked Ralph Bamber had finger nails at least 5mm-6mm long, and had the finger nails been shorter they could not have inflicted the wounds on the right arm and a similar wound on the arm of June Bamber.

It mentions that the post mortem photograph of June Bamber's arm shows one laceration consistent with a single finger nail indentation into the skin.

Could this be how/where Sheila lost her nail?

Congratulations for being so dedicated and informative by the way!

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Thank you for your previous answer.........
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 03:03:PM »
I had always presumed that the twins were the first to be shot. Was there any possibility that they were sedated in some way? Also, how did Julie Mugford know the extent of Ralph's injuries, and the fact that he had struggled with his assailant? Sorry, Mike, if this is old ground for you to cover.

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Re: Thank you for your previous answer.........
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 03:34:PM »
I had always presumed that the twins were the first to be shot. Was there any possibility that they were sedated in some way? Also, how did Julie Mugford know the extent of Ralph's injuries, and the fact that he had struggled with his assailant? Sorry, Mike, if this is old ground for you to cover.
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Shonapugs:- If Ralph and Sheila struggled at all in the kitchen, at a time when Sheila was reloading the gun with bullets, it would appear that at least three additional bullets, perhaps four, could have been discharged from the rifle by that stage, and this could be an indication that June and the children were all shot during the first emptying of the guns ammunition, and if this turns out to be the case, then of course, by the time of any purported struggle, the children could already have been killed because each wound inflicted upon the children was a fatal one...

Julie Mugford knew the extent of Ralph's injuries, because she was the one who volunteered to attend the mortuary, to identify the bodies of the five victims, and received information at that time about the extent of the injuries from a police officer who accompanied her to carry out these duties..
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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 04:04:PM »
I know that someone had to do it, but Julie Mugford actually volunteered to identify the bodies? Even the children's? Good grief, am I the only one to find that shocking?

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 04:13:PM »
I know that someone had to do it, but Julie Mugford actually volunteered to identify the bodies? Even the children's? Good grief, am I the only one to find that shocking?
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Shonapugs:- very disturbing, I agree
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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 07:29:PM »
I thought she volunteered for the kids only? could be wrong on that.

According to Ann Eaton it all sounded quite legitimate... She was asked first and said she couldn't tell the twins apart, Julie said she could and therefore volunteered to do it.

Not sure why Jeremy didnt want to, couldn't... 

The way Ann told it, she (Julie) appeared to just volunteer in order to make it one less burden for others. I didn't read anything overtly morbid about it.

But Julie did end up seeing Sheila too and told an it was just a shot to the neck... not too bad.
She very probably saw them all in the end - quite why that would have been, I don't know.


Perhaps it's my interpretation of Ann's account. It could be that Ann was asked and said she couldn't differentiate between the kids, and Julie said that she could... and therefore, Julie was volunteering for them all (makes sense), although a tad unusual.
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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 07:32:PM »
didnt jm say one of the reasons she identified the bodies was because she believed in the afterlife, and wanted to communicate with the dead sheila as to what happened at whf that night/morning.

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 07:48:PM »
We're trying to solve a crime here guys!!!

and people are worried about broken nail! ;-)



Just kiddin'!!

Ann did say Julie seemed to take a long time, but I suspect that was simply the whole process of identification and paperwork etc.
If Mugford was into the afterlife et al, it's just adding to the entire list of odd folks.

Are we QUITE sure this crime took place in Essex and not Norfolk?

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 08:36:PM »
Just had to add this in again if jm was lying she stitched JB for the rest of his life if she was telling the truth she knew the twins better than even the family but she went along with covering up a murder including viewing bodies with shotgun wounds before going on holiday


Sick, sick, sick and she is a teacher now unbeleivable !!!

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 08:44:PM »
Just had to add this in again if jm was lying she stitched JB for the rest of his life if she was telling the truth she knew the twins better than even the family but she went along with covering up a murder including viewing bodies with shotgun wounds before going on holiday


Sick, sick, sick and she is a teacher now unbeleivable !!!

Agree, she was either knee deep in the crap, or up to her shoulder in it, but either way, she bathed in it for some time

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 09:33:PM »
didnt jm say one of the reasons she identified the bodies was because she believed in the afterlife, and wanted to communicate with the dead sheila as to what happened at whf that night/morning.


That is decidely weird. I read that as JM wishing to ask Sheila's spirit what JM, at that stage. claims she already knew: because JB had told her. If JM did say that, in my view that reinforces the JB didn't do it case.

JM is in effect admitting that she does not know and has doubts about that which she claimed in her testimoney she knew without a shadow of doubt.

Second, because, at that stage, unless the claims JM made in court were untrue, JM by her own testimony (as given to the big fee paying News Of The World and the Court) should have believed she knew that Jeremy had hired a hitman to kill his family.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 10:51:PM »
according to the claire powell book, the jm interview with the news of the world, the photo she posed for to go with the story, jm had her skirt hiked right up her thighs, her friends dissaproved and told her the picture was a big mistake.

if i was giving an interview on a murder as harrowing as the whf case, i certainly wouldnt pose like that for a picture.

jm just isnt credible... in my opinion

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Re: Missing Fingernail of Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 11:11:PM »
didnt jm say one of the reasons she identified the bodies was because she believed in the afterlife, and wanted to communicate with the dead sheila as to what happened at whf that night/morning.


That is decidely weird. I read that as JM wishing to ask Sheila's spirit what JM, at that stage. claims she already knew: because JB had told her. If JM did say that, in my view that reinforces the JB didn't do it case.

JM is in effect admitting that she does not know and has doubts about that which she claimed in her testimoney she knew without a shadow of doubt.

Second, because, at that stage, unless the claims JM made in court were untrue, JM by her own testimony (as given to the big fee paying News Of The World and the Court) should have believed she knew that Jeremy had hired a hitman to kill his family.

Well.... as shady as she seems, she did allude to assuming Jeremy was talking rubbish prior to the murders ('tonight's the night' etl al), and less credibly, but she did say it, was that she couldn't quite believe it was him, somehow even after the events.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. My initial reaction is 'Bulls***', if what you think is a joke before the act (fine) turns out to actually happen! then you sure as hell would start believing!.... but it's never happened to me, I don't actually know what I'd think and feel. Maybe it really was all to 'surreal' to believe it could be him, even when told so. It's possible, even though I'm not buying it myself.

The longer it goes one though, the less credible it gets. I could forgive a day or two.. shock, fear, confusion etc... but not a month.

this is what gets to me... for 1 month she contemplated going along with it all. That cannot be disputed... at some point she's thought about "should I tell, or should I not?" and she's decided to stick with him. HOW she got away with no punishment is beyond me.

I do accept she did the right thing in the end, and possibly should be credited for that, the I still believe a judge could have said "Miss Mugford, it is impossible to ignore the period of time for which you kept this information to yourself, and whilst there are mitigating circumstances, you hindered the investigation of a tragedy that was without doubt earth shattering for a great number of people. Whilst we accept you took no part in the instigation of the murders, you did elect to effectively protect Jeremy Bamber. It must be born in mind that you have come forward and that is why your sentence will be reduced considerably.... Miss Mugford, I sentence you to 5 years imprisonment"

For me, that would have been fair.