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Offline mike tesko

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Factors X, Y and Z
« on: January 18, 2011, 10:28:PM »
Factors X, Y and Z

This is being reserved for when Jeremy, and others, he has instructed, make factors X, Y and Z, public knowledge...
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Re: Factors X, Y and Z
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 11:33:PM »
Mike, at the risk of asking stupid question number 2, what happens when this case goes back to court? Will you represent Jeremy in any way, or will you hand all your painstaking research over to a solicitor? Also, if Dr. Craig was too unwell to testify in court, would a signed statement from him have been permissible? And sorry, Mike, one more thing - could the injuries to Ralph's face have been inflicted after his gun-shot wounds, rather than during a (seemingly uneven) struggle while he was still conscious?

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Re: Factors X, Y and Z
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 10:23:PM »
Mike, at the risk of asking stupid question number 2, what happens when this case goes back to court? Will you represent Jeremy in any way, or will you hand all your painstaking research over to a solicitor? Also, if Dr. Craig was too unwell to testify in court, would a signed statement from him have been permissible? And sorry, Mike, one more thing - could the injuries to Ralph's face have been inflicted after his gun-shot wounds, rather than during a (seemingly uneven) struggle while he was still conscious?
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Shonapugs:- If Jeremy's case gets referred back to the court of appeal, he seems to think that it might get fast tracked, so that his case is heard in a matter of weeks rather than months...

Ewen led me to believe that although Dr Craig indicated that Sheila was found on the bed, the fact that Dr Craig was unwell, and infirm, and that DR Craigs wife had to interpret what he said, that this evidence might be treated as hearsay, which can only be taken into account in exceptional circumstances, and with leave of the court...

I was interested in your comments about Ralph's facial injuries being inflicted after he was shot, rather than before, and I will require a bit of time before I respond to that point...

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Re: Factors X, Y and Z
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 09:32:PM »
... could the injuries to Ralph's face have been inflicted after his gun-shot wounds, rather than during a (seemingly uneven) struggle while he was still conscious?
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shonapugs:- I am sorry it has taken me so long, to finally get around to trying to answer your point, above...

I would like to start off by saying that there is no evidence that I know of, to prove that Ralph was shot and wounded at all, before he made either, the call to Jeremy at 3:25am, and or, the call to the police, timed at 3:26am...

In addition, and after careful consideration of the facts relating to the scratch and gouge marks inflicted upon the right forearm of Ralph, and the top part of Sheila's right hand, it seems somewhat obvious to me, that there was some sort of a struggle between Ralph and Sheila, at a time when Sheila was in the process of reloading the gun in the Kitchen...

If this is true - Sheila must already have discharged at least ten, (10), perhaps eleven, (11), bullets, beforehand, and by that stage, Ralph was not dead...

We know that June was shot seven (7) times, and that two of these seven shots were individually, and collectively, fatal...

If ten (10) bullets were fired by the time Ralph and Sheila struggled in the kitchen this would have left three bullets to account for, if eleven bullets were fired by that stage, there would have been four (4) bullets to account for...

Nicholas Caffell was shot three times, each shot was individually, and collectively, fatal - Daniel was shot five times, each shot was individually, and collectively, fatal...

So, based upon this information, and by adopting this approach, by the time Ralph, and Sheila fought over possession, and control of the gun, June, Nicholas, and Daniel, could already have all been dead upstairs in the bedrooms...

If on the other hand, Ralph was shot four times upstairs, before he was drawn downstairs to be killed off, this would mean that at the time of any purported struggle involving Ralph and Sheila in the kitchen, that Ralph would have been badly wounded and crippled by that stage. If this were true, I could hardly see it being much of a struggle with Ralph badly wounded and Sheila unhurt, and in possession of a rifle which she could have used as a club to strike Ralph about the head, face and body...

In my opinion, the struggle I have been talking about, where Ralph gouged the top part of Sheila's right hand, and Sheila scratched and gouged Ralph's right forearm, could have been followed by Sheila getting herself into a position to wield the rifle like a club to strike Ralph about the head, face and body - in my view, this sequence of events would make some sort of sense out of all this madness. It would also help to explain how June Bamber was able to walk about in the bedroom before she was finished off by two bullets to the head in the vicinity of the bedroom door which led onto the main upstairs landing...

June was shot five (5) time whilst she lay in bed, which would leave five (5) more bullets in the gun which needed to be fired, before the need to reload the gun and the potential for the struggle to ensue between Ralph and Sheila in the kitchen. If these five (5) bullets were fired off in the kitchen, into the body of Ralph Bamber, by the time the last of the first loaded bullets into the gun had all been fired, Ralph Bamber would have been dead in the kitchen, and June would still have been barely alive, upstairs in the main bedroom...

Both children would also have still been alive, based on this scenario, at this particular stage in proceedings...

« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 09:51:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Factors X, Y and Z
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 09:58:PM »
Do you feel JB as all bases covered now Mike ? Can you see any way the CCRC will not send it back to the Appeal  Court ?

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 03:35:PM »
Do you feel JB as all bases covered now Mike ? Can you see any way the CCRC will not send it back to the Appeal  Court ?
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Jon:- everything has not been covered, as far as I know, only significant ones...

Factors, X, Y and Z, to my knowledge have not yet  been drawn to the attention of the CCRC, and there is perhaps a good reason for this not yet being done...
« Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 03:37:PM by mike tesko »
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