This is one of the secrets Essex police did not want anyone to find out about...

[Pete0001]

On innocent.org.uk site theres a section on JB and in one of the news articles posted back in 2001 is stated...

Bamber, who had warned police about his unstable sister, broke down and was offered tea and whisky by a kindly sergeant. He appeared to be highly upset and persuaded police to burn bedding and carpets, even though they might have contained further evidence.

Source: http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/jeremybamber/ 8th paragraph from bottom.

[Kaldin]

Pete, can we be sure this is what happened - would the police really do this on the instructions of Jeremy, if they new it might contain valuable evidence? It's what I wondered at the time, and I still do!

I suppose they might do it if they believed that Sheila had done it. It does seem sloppy but ...

[Pete0001]

It is sloppy... but at the time I guess the Police are pretty confident Sheila did it. They've already told Colin Caffell what has happened. JB is now hands on with family affairs/business (i.e. having access to office,vehicles, paperwork etc)... they probably have no reason to think anything is wrong..

example..

JB: Please burn all these things here that are a constant reminder of the horrific night at this house.
COP: Ermm sorry can't do that, its evidence.
JB: Evidence of what? you know who did it!
COP: Good point.. oh well, got any matches.

I'm not saying thats what happened...

[Kaldin]

It is sloppy... but at the time I guess the Police are pretty confident Sheila did it. They've already told Colin Caffell what has happened. JB is now hands on with family affairs/business (i.e. having access to office,vehicles, paperwork etc)... they probably have no reason to think anything is wrong..

example..

JB: Please burn all these things here that are a constant reminder of the horrific night at this house.
COP: Ermm sorry can't do that, its evidence.
JB: Evidence of what? you know who did it!
COP: Good point.. oh well, got any matches.

I'm not saying thats what happened...

Yes, I can see that happening. I'm not convinced that the burning of the carpet and bedding is any indication of a conspiracy to hide the truth on Jeremy's side or the police's side.

[crooner1]

Just a thought on looking at the picture of sheila, if you were going to kill yourself would you close your eyes, and if someone was killing you would your eyes be wide open with fear. Understanding that your eyes stay as when you are dead? does that make sense.

[Kaldin]

Just a thought on looking at the picture of sheila, if you were going to kill yourself would you close your eyes, and if someone was killing you would your eyes be wide open with fear. Understanding that your eyes stay as when you are dead? does that make sense.

Yes it does, and I've wondered why she looks so peaceful too.

[Roch]

So is the inference here that the defence suspect the blood spots are from SC, while she was mobile between the two shots?  Or am I missing something?

[joolz1975]

That photos horrific of Sheila, so sad to see someone like that!

Wish id not looked!

[Alias]

That photos horrific of Sheila, so sad to see someone like that!

Wish id not looked!

There aught to be a warning. Seriously.

On another note, I don´t understand the "route" of the blood from her neck-wounds to the large, triangular stain at her armpit - and then from that the two streams on her upper arm with direction to the floor. She should have been sitting up or standing, slanting to the right for blood to get there, but the streams directly from her neck-wonds indicate that she was lying down while being shot - or at least have fallen into a lying position right after. Just don´t get it.

[Jackiepreece]

I am interested in this eyes shut or eyes opened if you were about to be murdered I have never heard this before does anyone else know anything about this?

[simong]

I have read in a book of an M.E finding a body with one eye open and one closed. In violent death eyes being opened or closed is very irregular. i don't think anything can be determined.

[Reader]

On innocent.org.uk site, there's a section . . .

The information you quoted presumably came from the police, and what MT has posted implied that JB hadn't "persuaded police to burn bedding and carpets"; rather, it was the police that had persuaded JB to sign a consent form.

[smiffy]

From the pictures shown on this thread there should have been two bloodstains on one of the pages of the bible to correspond with the two blood flows on Shiela's upper right arm outer surface.
The page concerned is clearly the front pages of the bible.

What evidence do we have here on the actual bible as being recorded.  Were the stains on the bible indicating its resting against the arm when the blood was still wet. The absence of stains would suggest the lower amount of blood involved could have dried before the bible came into contact with Shiela's arm.

[grahameb]

Poor young woman.

[smiffy]

When looking on another thread of the X ray photograph showing the fragmented bullet...it was also clear that the necklace pendant also appeared in the x ray.
I am no x ray expert so cannot say wether the x ray was taken from Sheila's front or rear . It does appear to me that the pendant part of the necklace had moved between crime scene and x ray being taken  and that the pendant was more or less centrally to the rear...as a consequence of being moved.

My attention had thus been drawn to the pendant.

Look at the first photograph in the thread and you can make out the weighty pendant part to be to the left side of the victims neck. This is not right as we should expect it to be centrally placed at the front due to gravity from when in an upright position.
Unless Sheila or the killer deliberately placed this pendant for which there seems to be no reason to think this then to me it indicates the pendant slipped round to the position shown in the photograph in the course of her body being moved by someone post death.
There are no drag marks recorded.
In my view the pendant moved due to its weight  when the body was being carried to the position it was placed in and was carried most likely by two people.