The handwritten notes of Miss Marples (Ann Eaton) - read them here for yourself

[smiffy]

In her false story to the COLP about the 10Th august Ann fails to mention the Bamber 12 bore as to where it was found...etc....she mentions David finding guns in the backstairs area and the downstairs loo.
But not the 12 bore in the den...be it against the wall or in the gun cupboard.
In her COLP account of the 9th she never mentions the 12 bore leaning against the den wall.

Was she trying to avoid mentions of the 12 bore...for she knew it may expose the truth!
The truth being Ann and Peter removing guns and ammo on the 9th of august. Her excuse of wanting to rush back home as her 11 year old was left alone sounds iffy....plus where was the other child..the younger one JB seemed to think was ugly as a baby!!

[campion]

Sorry to intercede, but I mentioned that the Glorious 12th is the opening day of the ShootingSeason.What would be the relevance othis if AP was Staying at OAKfarm. He would surely need his weapons

[smiffy]

Dont know about Pargetter....he claimed to the COLP he had a gun cupboard at home for his shotguns...maybe he had other shotguns that worked at his home to use on the 12th if he went shooting. Pargetter went back home on the 9th after making a statement on the 8th...maybe ANN listened into it.
David Boutflour does not get mentioned as being at whf, when many others were, on the 12th...maybe he went shooting somewhere.

ah Anthony Pargetter's gun...
the note says Thursday and seems by logic to be the 8th august.  According to Ann's note ... "Anthony gun is in the cupboard"

The use of present tense "is" would be that the belief was that Pargetter's .22 was still in the gun cupboard at whf ...to the best of their knowledge at that particular time.....one would think either Pargetter told her or a policeman told her who had been in and looked.

It cant be anything recovered from WHF by the relatives as we know this was before they took anything...such as Ann and Peter did on the 9th august after Pargetter went home.

[grahameb]

I honestly don't think that the "gun cupboard" was a properly designed gun cupboard? My stepfather had a steel lockable gun cupboard built into the lintel of one of the doors. The opening of it was also contained within a lockable room. The police had to examine the cupboard every year to make sure it adhered to regulations. A cupboard under the stairs would not have been legal.

[smiffy]

I honestly don't think that the "gun cupboard" was a properly designed gun cupboard? My stepfather had a steel lockable gun cupboard built into the lintel of one of the doors. The opening of it was also contained within a lockable room. The police had to examine the cupboard every year to make sure it adhered to regulations. A cupboard under the stairs would not have been legal.

Correct...maybe Ralph being a magistrate allowed those supposed to check such things to "overlook" the issue.

[chochokeira]

What would we ever do without you Keira?

Thanks, Grahame, I haven't finished, the Bamber side of Nevill's family are yet to come.

[smiffy]

Ann's note , having Pargetter's gun (.22) in the cupboard is consistent with all Pargetters statements until he changed story in his COLP interview in which the note by Ann then becomes inconsistent with the changed claim.

It is noted that JB himself has recently claimed to have seen one of the recently disclosed images in which Pargetter's .22 gun case can be seen in the cupboard is consistent with it being there and Ann's note.

Surely with JB having told all and sundry he thought Pargetter's rifle was there it would be asked about by the relatives and Pargetter questioned by them if not the Police. Ann's note tells us this has indeed happened and that he had left the gun at whf and hence no need to ask him any further questions on it.
That Pargetter must have also said about both types of .22 ammunition he had kept at whf and it being present also is supported by the question Ann wrote to ask the police in regards to whether high or low velocity bullets were used.
This all makes sense.

[smiffy]

In the picture of the 12 bore shotgun leaning against the wall in the den...(what Robert claims Ann told him about how she found the 12 bore)....there is a brownish item lying on the chair. This does appear to be a gun case and maybe what the 12 bore was later put into...before being taken to the Eatons.(On the 9th august in my view) ..One must be seen to be acting responsibly...especially in front of a police officer who one had angered earlier in the day!

[Hartley]

I honestly don't think that the "gun cupboard" was a properly designed gun cupboard? My stepfather had a steel lockable gun cupboard built into the lintel of one of the doors. The opening of it was also contained within a lockable room. The police had to examine the cupboard every year to make sure it adhered to regulations. A cupboard under the stairs would not have been legal.

BS7558 didn't come into force until 1992. I'm not sure what there was before but that's what current legislation refers to in the 2005 Firearms Security Handbook.

But by Jeremys own words (or at least those on his official site):
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/myths-facts

Nevill Bamber left guns around all over the house they were hardly ever locked away in the gun cupboard which was not a metal cabinet but a built in cupboard. There was a gun in almost every room this was how farmers lived 25 years ago before the gun laws were tightened.

[Hartley]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the firearms laws were tightened up in 1988 following the Hungerford Massacre.

[Newbury1]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the firearms laws were tightened up in 1988 following the Hungerford Massacre.

Hi Hartley welcome back.

And again following the Dunblane massacre in 1996!

Wiki  - Following the Cumbria shootings by Derrick Bird, the UK 'gun laws' are under review, with many calling for the laws to be simplified due to what has been called a 'piecemeal' set of laws which have been introduced following 2 previous massacres in Hungerford and Dunblane, which led to the ban on semi-automatic rifles over .22 rimfire calibre and handguns, respectively.

[Hartley]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the firearms laws were tightened up in 1988 following the Hungerford Massacre.

Hi Hartley welcome back.

And again following the Dunblane massacre in 1996!

Wiki  - Following the Cumbria shootings by Derrick Bird, the UK 'gun laws' are under review, with many calling for the laws to be simplified due to what has been called a 'piecemeal' set of laws which have been introduced following 2 previous massacres in Hungerford and Dunblane, which led to the ban on semi-automatic rifles over .22 rimfire calibre and handguns, respectively.

Regardless of the guilty party, perhaps three years later it would never have happened at all. 

[Newbury1]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the firearms laws were tightened up in 1988 following the Hungerford Massacre.

Hi Hartley welcome back.

And again following the Dunblane massacre in 1996!

Wiki  - Following the Cumbria shootings by Derrick Bird, the UK 'gun laws' are under review, with many calling for the laws to be simplified due to what has been called a 'piecemeal' set of laws which have been introduced following 2 previous massacres in Hungerford and Dunblane, which led to the ban on semi-automatic rifles over .22 rimfire calibre and handguns, respectively.

Regardless of the guilty party, perhaps three years later it would never have happened at all. 

Alas, that is the problem with timing, and sadly it did  :'(

[chochokeira]

I honestly don't think that the "gun cupboard" was a properly designed gun cupboard? My stepfather had a steel lockable gun cupboard built into the lintel of one of the doors. The opening of it was also contained within a lockable room. The police had to examine the cupboard every year to make sure it adhered to regulations. A cupboard under the stairs would not have been legal.

BS7558 didn't come into force until 1992. I'm not sure what there was before but that's what current legislation refers to in the 2005 Firearms Security Handbook.

But by Jeremys own words (or at least those on his official site):
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/myths-facts

Nevill Bamber left guns around all over the house they were hardly ever locked away in the gun cupboard which was not a metal cabinet but a built in cupboard. There was a gun in almost every room this was how farmers lived 25 years ago before the gun laws were tightened.

I was shot down in flames for pointing this out a few months ago. I was then told that it wasn't Nevill who left these guns all over the place, but Jeremy, in an attempt to cover his tracks.

I do, however, have the experience of visiting my family who have lived in D'Arcy and nearby villages since the year dot - and of course my family's advice on this. When I visited my Great Aunt Kate and my mother's cousin, Ginger, I sat down on a chair only to find myself sitting on a rifle.

"Move your pop gun, Gt Auntie told Ginger, you're froightenin' Kerra"

"Not really, Auntie", says I, "I had a go of it when you were out yesterday!"

"Shuddup, Kerra!", says Ginger.

"That's noice, dears", says Auntie.

[grahameb]

I honestly don't think that the "gun cupboard" was a properly designed gun cupboard? My stepfather had a steel lockable gun cupboard built into the lintel of one of the doors. The opening of it was also contained within a lockable room. The police had to examine the cupboard every year to make sure it adhered to regulations. A cupboard under the stairs would not have been legal.

BS7558 didn't come into force until 1992. I'm not sure what there was before but that's what current legislation refers to in the 2005 Firearms Security Handbook.

But by Jeremys own words (or at least those on his official site):
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/myths-facts

Nevill Bamber left guns around all over the house they were hardly ever locked away in the gun cupboard which was not a metal cabinet but a built in cupboard. There was a gun in almost every room this was how farmers lived 25 years ago before the gun laws were tightened.

Well I am referring to when I moved into my current house in 1983 when my mother and stepfather were living in North Fambridge at the time. He had a collection of guns old and new as well as a couple of black powder guns.