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Hartley

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 09:40:AM »
All the new statements that Mike has posted should freshen things up a bit.

andrea

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 11:01:AM »
you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already


He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did

mertol22

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 11:08:AM »
you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already


He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did
Andrea what channel was the show on, i no longer watch tv as of jan this year.

andrea

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2011, 11:25:AM »
Channel four mertol i think.

chochokeira

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2011, 11:45:AM »
Did anyone watch Derren Brown last night?

He basically hypnotised a guy into shooting stephen fry.

Sirhan Sirhan reckons he was under a form of mind control when he assassinated Robert Kennedy, so i was just wondering who watched the programme last night and their views on it.

It was thought provoking, very.


I'm sceptical of the claims of many of these hypnotists, in particular those who perform on stage or TV. I believe a lot of them are illusionists, crooks and charlatans.

That doesn't mean I don't believe that hypnotism works, it clearly does as people have been operated on without pain while under hypnosis. I don't know which category Derren Brown falls under, but I don't find him at all convincing.

Experimental projects have shown that a disturbingly high proportion of us can be induced to harm or kill others without ever being hypnotised.

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2011, 11:49:AM »
you cant hypnotise some to kill themselves unless they want to do it already


He wasnt hypnotised into killing himself, he was hypnotised into killing stephen fry, and he did
Pity, I liked Stephen Fry. :-[

andrea

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2011, 11:59:AM »
Derren brown is a sceptic, he doesnt believe in ghosts, mediums, psychics and religion etc.

But on that programme he was trying to see if it is possible to hypnotise someone into assassinating a high profile figure, he proved that you can. Sirhan sirhan said he was under mind control when he shot kennedy.
I think its possible, quite scary really.

chochokeira

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 12:01:PM »
The Milgram experiment found that the percentage of its participants who were prepared to continue inflicting increasingly high voltages of electric shocks to victims in a room next door, right up to the point where fatal voltages were being administered, was an astonishing 61–66 percent.

Hypnotism was not employed by the researchers, as the experiment set out to test how obedient human beings are to authority using only the authority status of the researchers as an inducement to participants. It's akin to a holocaust experiment, if you like.

Victims were not actually receiving electric shocks, of course, however the subjects pressing the buttons to administer these 'shocks' believed that they were indeed inflicting pain.

As the voltages the subjects inflicted apparently grew higher, victims screamed with pain and banged on the walls for the experiment to stop, yet 61% to 66% of those inflicting shocks continued. Even when the victims stopped screaming and went alarmingly quiet at the highest level of voltage, over 60% of those inflicting the shocks continued to do so, merely because they accepted the researchers as authority figures and did what the researchers instructed them to do.

I think a lot of this obedience factor underlies the effects of much of the alleged hypnotic powers we see in the media and on stage.
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andrea

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 12:04:PM »
Derren brown is no charlatan either, infact he informs people how mediums and psychics rip us all off, they use cold reading techniques or the sitter without realising, will give the medium the answers.

chochokeira

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2011, 12:20:PM »
I just don't find him convincing, Andrea, to me he's simply and illusionist, but of course I could be wrong.

mertol22

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2011, 01:27:PM »
In some form there will be an explination Andrea, i will view Derren Brown on youtube see his style a little more , that American guy Lance Burton now he is good real good but always tells you how it works, think like Columbo and some answers are not far behind, infact im watching Lt Columbo very soon from my dvd boxset 2pm infact, will get back to you on this, Chocho  seems sure its not real and Chocho could be right why show on tv ? some screwball might just copy it !

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2011, 01:28:PM »
Derren brown is a sceptic, he doesnt believe in ghosts, mediums, psychics and religion etc.


Well he's wrong on that one. Religion does exist. ::)

mertol22

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2011, 01:50:PM »
Derren brown is no charlatan either, infact he informs people how mediums and psychics rip us all off, they use cold reading techniques or the sitter without realising, will give the medium the answers.
Andrea ive just been on youtube before i watch Columbo, the guy is a fake , go on youtube sometime and watch his lottery numbers prediction trick, why does he not show you the numbers on the balls as he is talking , when those balls turn round for you to see they were switched earlier, fake.
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mertol22

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2011, 01:59:PM »
I just don't find him convincing, Andrea, to me he's simply and illusionist, but of course I could be wrong.
i 2nd your view Chocho +1

andrea

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Re: Mind control
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2011, 03:13:PM »
I fail to see why hes a fake, he tells viewers the techniques he uses, he isnt cheating anyone. Unlike "mediums" who make hundreds while preying on the vulnerable.