Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)

[Hartley]

Petey
I don't care if you are 8 foot dressed in women's clothes but unfortunately we are not stupid on here.

Hartley is so @@@@ing articulate he has to make out he was someone else and say he is impartial because he is not getting anywhere on this forum trying to persuade people Jeremy is guilty


You are not very good at this game petey you will have to get a lot sharper to catch me out

Go and play on one of the bends outside WHF

@@@@ing idiot

What does a post like this achieve, Jackie?

She gets off on it Shonapugs.

She is a nasty old harridan. A female Belton if-you-will.
I wouldn't.

Seriously, why do you bother. 

[mertol22]

I stated last month that I am about 70-80% convinced of JB's innocence, although to be fair that is based solely on work covered during my law degree and information I have picked up from this forum and reading other internet material and Scott Lomax's book. I have no inside track on the case.  I have nothing but respect for all posters, most of whom know a lot more about the case than me.  However, as someone who at present believes JB is innocent, I am just disappointed that in the recent threads, posts by anti JB people, such as Hartley, Vidvic and Shonapugs come across as far more articulate and believeable than those from the pro JB supporters. This is not a criticism, but looking in from the outside I hoped to read strong points from JB posters, expressing clear points which would further convince me that JB is innocent. Sadly at present this does not appear to be the case, although I still believe JB is innocent, perhaps not as strongly as I originally did.

petey, the problem with Jeremy's conviction, is that it is  based on a jilted girlfriends word.
A girlfriend, who, if she had gone to the Police prior to the killings, could perhaps have prevented this tragedy.
A girlfriend who carried on her relationship with Jeremy for weeks after the murders, until he ended
the relationship.
It is the total lack of forensic evedence linking Jeremy to the crimes.
Also the thorough destruction of almost all remaining evidence, by the Police, even though they had  been expressly told to preserve it as D.N.A research had become available.
I don't know if Jeremy is guilty or innocent, but I do see that any chance of proving his innocence
has been destroyed by Essex Police.
This makes alarm bells ring for me - someone is covering up something - it makes me despair for
any of us ever knowing the truth behind the murders at White Hous Farm.

I agree Summer a lot of evidence has gone like the years, i do feel in any case its still possible to find something , there is still time to locate , log and produce evidence, i do finf the methods of the timeframe primitive compared to this age.

[shonapugs]

I stated last month that I am about 70-80% convinced of JB's innocence, although to be fair that is based solely on work covered during my law degree and information I have picked up from this forum and reading other internet material and Scott Lomax's book. I have no inside track on the case.  I have nothing but respect for all posters, most of whom know a lot more about the case than me.  However, as someone who at present believes JB is innocent, I am just disappointed that in the recent threads, posts by anti JB people, such as Hartley, Vidvic and Shonapugs come across as far more articulate and believeable than those from the pro JB supporters. This is not a criticism, but looking in from the outside I hoped to read strong points from JB posters, expressing clear points which would further convince me that JB is innocent. Sadly at present this does not appear to be the case, although I still believe JB is innocent, perhaps not as strongly as I originally did.

petey, the problem with Jeremy's conviction, is that it is  based on a jilted girlfriends word.
A girlfriend, who, if she had gone to the Police prior to the killings, could perhaps have prevented this tragedy.
A girlfriend who carried on her relationship with Jeremy for weeks after the murders, until he ended
the relationship.
It is the total lack of forensic evedence linking Jeremy to the crimes.
Also the thorough destruction of almost all remaining evidence, by the Police, even though they had  been expressly told to preserve it as D.N.A research had become available.
I don't know if Jeremy is guilty or innocent, but I do see that any chance of proving his innocence
has been destroyed by Essex Police.
This makes alarm bells ring for me - someone is covering up something - it makes me despair for
any of us ever knowing the truth behind the murders at White Hous Farm.

I agree Summer a lot of evidence has gone like the years, i do feel in any case its still possible to find something , there is still time to locate , log and produce evidence, i do finf the methods of the timeframe primitive compared to this age.

I'm not sure that's true, Merts. There is no DNA, the images can be misinterpreted, so that leaves us with statements.

[mertol22]

I stated last month that I am about 70-80% convinced of JB's innocence, although to be fair that is based solely on work covered during my law degree and information I have picked up from this forum and reading other internet material and Scott Lomax's book. I have no inside track on the case.  I have nothing but respect for all posters, most of whom know a lot more about the case than me.  However, as someone who at present believes JB is innocent, I am just disappointed that in the recent threads, posts by anti JB people, such as Hartley, Vidvic and Shonapugs come across as far more articulate and believeable than those from the pro JB supporters. This is not a criticism, but looking in from the outside I hoped to read strong points from JB posters, expressing clear points which would further convince me that JB is innocent. Sadly at present this does not appear to be the case, although I still believe JB is innocent, perhaps not as strongly as I originally did.

petey, the problem with Jeremy's conviction, is that it is  based on a jilted girlfriends word.
A girlfriend, who, if she had gone to the Police prior to the killings, could perhaps have prevented this tragedy.
A girlfriend who carried on her relationship with Jeremy for weeks after the murders, until he ended
the relationship.
It is the total lack of forensic evedence linking Jeremy to the crimes.
Also the thorough destruction of almost all remaining evidence, by the Police, even though they had  been expressly told to preserve it as D.N.A research had become available.
I don't know if Jeremy is guilty or innocent, but I do see that any chance of proving his innocence
has been destroyed by Essex Police.
This makes alarm bells ring for me - someone is covering up something - it makes me despair for
any of us ever knowing the truth behind the murders at White Hous Farm.

I agree Summer a lot of evidence has gone like the years, i do feel in any case its still possible to find something , there is still time to locate , log and produce evidence, i do finf the methods of the timeframe primitive compared to this age.

I'm not sure that's true, Merts. There is no DNA, the images can be misinterpreted, so that leaves us with statements.

Thats fair enough Shona all good answers, and mugford is not too far away where statements are mentioned statements can contain errors they get altered, additional ones made and never feel or assume fresh evidence is unobtainable.

[grahameb]

Petey
I don't care if you are 8 foot dressed in women's clothes but unfortunately we are not stupid on here.

Hartley is so @@@@ing articulate he has to make out he was someone else and say he is impartial because he is not getting anywhere on this forum trying to persuade people Jeremy is guilty


You are not very good at this game petey you will have to get a lot sharper to catch me out

Go and play on one of the bends outside WHF

@@@@ing idiot

What does a post like this achieve, Jackie?

She gets off on it Shonapugs.

She is a nasty old harridan. A female Belton if-you-will.
I wouldn't.

Seriously, why do you bother. 

He didn't get enough sugar on his cornflakes when he was a boy I think. Just why they entrusted him with the job of police officer in the URC I just cannot imagine? I don't think I've ever met someone so depraved before? He doesn't seem to have the resolution of a child and certainly has difficulty in putting two words together, let alone construct an intelligible sentence?

[shonapugs]

More to be pitied than scolded. He brings nothing to this forum, and his own forum is a dodgy mess. You have to feel sorry for someone who is so insecure that he tries to disrupt intelligent debate.

[mertol22]

this seeems to suggest his mission to import chaos to the forum has collapsed

[Hartley]

this seeems to suggest his mission to import chaos to the forum has collapsed

Yes, for once we all stand united, that takes some doing doesn't it? 

[mertol22]

this seeems to suggest his mission to import chaos to the forum has collapsed

Yes, for once we all stand united, that takes some doing doesn't it? 

it sure does a unified collective example of common sense produced.

[shonapugs]

Wow. Another brilliant sentence. For what it's worth, I used to go clay shooting with BT, every Sunday morning, and because I'm little and skinny ( like Sheila) I was given a lighter gun. But I found it such hard work, especially loading, that I had to ask for help. I couldn't keep up. And at the end of the day, my fingers and shoulder were very sore.

[mertol22]

Wow. Another brilliant sentence. For what it's worth, I used to go clay shooting with BT, every Sunday morning, and because I'm little and skinny ( like Sheila) I was given a lighter gun. But I found it such hard work, especially loading, that I had to ask for help. I couldn't keep up. And at the end of the day, my fingers and shoulder were very sore.

ive never done clay shotting but its interesting as it teaches you good cordination  sort of a time allowed to react remind you of someone ??

[shonapugs]

Wow. Another brilliant sentence. For what it's worth, I used to go clay shooting with BT, every Sunday morning, and because I'm little and skinny ( like Sheila) I was given a lighter gun. But I found it such hard work, especially loading, that I had to ask for help. I couldn't keep up. And at the end of the day, my fingers and shoulder were very sore.

ive never done clay shotting but its interesting as it teaches you good cordination  sort of a time allowed to react remind you of someone ??

It's true that you have to be very quick, and co-ordinated, to follow the clays. And you have to re-load very quickly, too. What exactly do you mean, Merts?

[mertol22]

Sierra Charlie of course !

[shonapugs]

Sierra Charlie of course !

Sorry, merts. I must be very dim. I'm not getting it. I can do Foxtrot Oscar, but not Sierra Charlie. Enlighten me?

[chochokeira]

Wow. Another brilliant sentence. For what it's worth, I used to go clay shooting with BT, every Sunday morning, and because I'm little and skinny ( like Sheila) I was given a lighter gun. But I found it such hard work, especially loading, that I had to ask for help. I couldn't keep up. And at the end of the day, my fingers and shoulder were very sore.

How many clays would you shoot in a morning? Say, between 50 and a 100?