Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)

[Blodwynflower]

With regard to the negatives, and for that matter, ANY negatives that are quite old - does the condition deteriorate over time?

[grahameb]

Well, I've looked at these blurry photos of Sheila's right hand and I must say that even if it is not residue from firing a gun, in my "limited" intelligence I can say quite categorically that her hand is far from clean as stated by the prosecution. In fact it looks positively dirty. I'm wondering how they could have arrived at such a conclusion that her hands were spotless. What could those dirty marks be other than gun residue I wonder?

[mike tesko]

Nope, now they are your words not mine.

You started this thread with the promise of a revelation, that hasn't happened, you are relying on the images in this thread, no two ways about it, and they are inconclusive at best and show no such thing at worst. For you to now say that the orignal were clearer and showed what you say is true just doesn't wash with me, you haven't mentioned it before and you have no more proof now than you did back in 2004, adding that since that time you have put together all manner of different theories, some plausible but many riculous in the extreme, yet you never mentioned this one in all that time.

You have even argued that Sheila washed herself, a theory completely incompatible with the revelation theory in this thread.

My opinion is that you are making it up to try and mislead people, although I will give a full written apology if you prove that not to be the case.

Why on Earth you think I would be worried is beyond me.

You are really stupid, how do you think I took a copy of the picture I had possession of? Stop being a dimwit. Of course there was an original, that I copied, stop trying to be all intellectual by saying I never mentioned an original before, I have mentioned the originals before, not only in this thread but other threads as well, check out your facts before you open your gob...

There is /was residue on Sheila's right hand, and the claim made by the prosecution at Jeremy's trial that her hands were spotlessly clean was a false proposition. The police did not disclose the photographs which showed the opposite of what the prosecution were alleging, and this was no coincidence, it was a deliberate manipulation of the truth - Sheila's hands, in particular her right hand was contaminated with residue and the mark of the lever from the right had side of the rifle, which clearly points to her having handled and fired the rifle, and reloaded it...

You haven't even got a firearms expert saying that such marks would be impossible to get on her right hand from the lever, you don't even know what you are talking about, you are basically full of bullshit and nonsense...

You wait and see, when the negatives are examined, and shown to an appropriate expert, it will be confirmed that there was residue on Sheila's right hand that came about through her reloading the breach with a bullet. Until then, please keep worrying and please loose as much sleep as possible, because police have dropped a right clanger with this one...

[grahameb]

With regard to the negatives, and for that matter, ANY negatives that are quite old - does the condition deteriorate over time?

It depends on where they were kept. Colour negatives deteriorate over time more than black and white negatives. But if they are kept in a dark place or a file then they to tend to be preserved more than if they are kept in a brightly lit place.

[mike tesko]

With regard to the negatives, and for that matter, ANY negatives that are quite old - does the condition deteriorate over time?

Now thats a good point, nobody thought of that, well done - I suppose KODAK MAN could answer that if it became an issue?

[mike tesko]

With regard to the negatives, and for that matter, ANY negatives that are quite old - does the condition deteriorate over time?

It depends on where they were kept. Colour negatives deteriorate over time more than black and white negatives. But if they are kept in a dark place or a file then they to tend to be preserved more than if they are kept in a brightly lit place.

interesting...

[mike tesko]

Anthony Pargeter, David Boutflour and Peter Eaton, would all tell you that the sooty marks on Sheila's right hand were caused when she handled, fired and reloaded bullets into the gun, if you showed them the pictures I have brought to everyone's attention?

[jon]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !! 

[mike tesko]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !!

You mean like a copy of the photograph when Sheila was laid on the bed, at a time when she had no blood running from the corners of her mouth?

[mike tesko]

Imagine Sheila with her right hand up and over the rifle with her finger on the trigger, and at some stage operating the lever as shown on the right of the weapon whilst reloading bullets into the gun - could the lever have made the marks which are visible on her right hand as a result of coming into contact with eachother?

[grahameb]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !!

You mean like a copy of the photograph when Sheila was laid on the bed, at a time when she had no blood running from the corners of her mouth?

I wonder if the blood running from Sheila's mouth was caused by the actions of someone performing CPR on her?

[mike tesko]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !!

You mean like a copy of the photograph when Sheila was laid on the bed, at a time when she had no blood running from the corners of her mouth?

I wonder if the blood running from Sheila's mouth was caused by the actions of someone performing CPR on her?

David Shaws account mentions something about the police giving Sheila some sort of treatment to try and give her the best possible chance of surviving?

[jon]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !!

You mean like a copy of the photograph when Sheila was laid on the bed, at a time when she had no blood running from the corners of her mouth?

Any photo , that EP have not released , you being able to show it would be massive , if it was to be the one on the bed ,  all the better !!

[chochokeira]

Show me where I have ever claimed to have seen the recently disclosed negatives, otherwise button your lip because you are fast sounding like a prick...

Well the fact that you have stated that your theory is backed up by recently released negatives gives that impression, does it not.

So you are falling back on insults now? I think you have been shown up and you're trying to manipulate your way out of it. IMO.

Stop being a complete idiot...

THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...
THE NEGATIVES HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN RELEASED, SO IT IS NEW/FRESH EVIDENCE...

Do you comprehend, understandie, Yes, I took copies in 2004 from the original pictures, but those original pictures were not mine, they did not belong to me, and I had very little control over them, yet...

If Negatives were to go missing, and the original photographs that I took copies from were to go missing, then the copies I took could become admissible and be evidence in any subsequent appeal, so when you say the pictures I took of the pictures is not evidence, that might not strictly be true...

So...

Be careful what you write about...

I love this comment, Mike, I think I'll have it framed.

[mike tesko]

If MT as one picture , that as not been released to the CCRC or JB's defence team that would be a massive point for JB's team to explore surely !!

You mean like a copy of the photograph when Sheila was laid on the bed, at a time when she had no blood running from the corners of her mouth?

Any photo , that EP have not released , you being able to show it would be massive , if it was to be the one on the bed ,  all the better !!

When I was in London taking copies of the original photographs, there was someone else there who also took some pictures of the photographs because the battery on my camera went flat. It may well be that this person took some pictures of photographs which I did not see or remember that person taking so I may contact that person and make some inquiries...