Essex police found evidence that Sheila fired rifle (SC/688/85)

[mike tesko]

Now the painstaking research I have been conducting over two decades into this matter, has finally come to fruition with the release or the hand over of these negatives...

Now...

Either the negatives for the pictures I have recently been referring to or relying upon, exist or they are missing?

Think of the consequences if the negatives of these particular pictures exist and confirm what I have been talking about? On the other hand, what if those negatives are missing and have been cut out from the strip of negatives?

Imagine what all this would mean?

[Hartley]

No Mike you are changing the topic and trying to be rude by casting insults, my whole beef with this thread and the allegations and claims from you is that it is nothing more than a theory of yours. I think that you know damn well that you have attempted to mislead people on this occasion.

Lets have a look at the first post in this thread again, I don't think there is a single person on here who could put their hands on their heart and say that your claim has actually come to fruition (if they were honest) by the so called revelations you make in this thread . Note the 100% bit and the dispelling a myth bit.

There was absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of senior police officers who attended the scene - that Sheila had fired the rifle which killed the others, and herself. But now I can reveal for the first time in 26 years the evidence the police obtained, and how this evidence, verified Sheila`s involvement and the role she played in the shootings. At long last the myth that Sheila could not have fired the rifle can now be exposed as nothing but a damning lie, since she did fire the rifle, its 100% certain that she didi...

You have exposed nothing except yourself.

[chochokeira]

Show me where I have ever claimed to have seen the recently disclosed negatives, otherwise button your lip because you are fast sounding like a prick...

So you are falling back on insults now?...

So you are falling back on insults now?...

Hartley to Mike:

"You are trying to trick people"..."you have got nothing to show us"..."your misleading tone and style of posting "..."trying to manipulate your way out of it"..."gamesmanship"..."You have tried to bamboozle people"..."Absolute rubbish"..."attempt to mislead people"..."you have tried to pass off a theory as rock solid proof"..."your attempt to mislead people"

Of other members:

"many folk on here from either side of the debate have a certain amount of intelligence about them"..."whether people [pro-JBs, in other words) fall for it or not depends upon how gullible they are.

Pot to kettle doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the above astonishingly disingenuous comment.

[mike tesko]

No Mike you are changing the topic and trying to be rude by casting insults, my whole beef with this thread and the allegations and claims from you is that it is nothing more than a theory of yours. I think that you know damn well that you have attempted to mislead people on this occasion.

Lets have a look at the first post in this thread again, I don't think there is a single person on here who could put their hands on their heart and say that your claim has actually come to fruition (if they were honest) by the so called revelations you make in this thread . Note the 100% bit and the dispelling a myth bit.

There was absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of senior police officers who attended the scene - that Sheila had fired the rifle which killed the others, and herself. But now I can reveal for the first time in 26 years the evidence the police obtained, and how this evidence, verified Sheila`s involvement and the role she played in the shootings. At long last the myth that Sheila could not have fired the rifle can now be exposed as nothing but a damning lie, since she did fire the rifle, its 100% certain that she didi...

You have exposed nothing except yourself.

The residue found on the right hand of Sheila, bearing the mark of the lever which operates the bolt, proves that Sheila reloaded bullets into that gun, which were subsequently fired from that gun, because the police say that when they took possession of it from the body there were no more bullets left or found inside it, yet it had fired 25 rounds? The police, relatives and you, have got something to think about now, because judgement day is looming large, and you will be having other bombshells dropped at your feet very soon - those involved in this wicked and evil conspiracy should be locked up for the rest of their lives and the key thrown away...

Hand swab evidence was rigged...

Sheila did not have clean hands when the police found her body, they took pictures which show residue on her right hand...

I saw the original photograph which showed this residue there on her hand, this photograph was contained in THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM (581), if the negative of this particular photograph is now missing, or the police have cut it from the strip of negatives which have recently been handed over, it will not look good for the police...

I could only have taken a copy of the picture which shows this residue on Sheila's right hand, from another picture that I had been given access to, so there must have been a picture to copy in the first instance?

[Hartley]

No Mike you are changing the topic and trying to be rude by casting insults, my whole beef with this thread and the allegations and claims from you is that it is nothing more than a theory of yours. I think that you know damn well that you have attempted to mislead people on this occasion.

Lets have a look at the first post in this thread again, I don't think there is a single person on here who could put their hands on their heart and say that your claim has actually come to fruition (if they were honest) by the so called revelations you make in this thread . Note the 100% bit and the dispelling a myth bit.

There was absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of senior police officers who attended the scene - that Sheila had fired the rifle which killed the others, and herself. But now I can reveal for the first time in 26 years the evidence the police obtained, and how this evidence, verified Sheila`s involvement and the role she played in the shootings. At long last the myth that Sheila could not have fired the rifle can now be exposed as nothing but a damning lie, since she did fire the rifle, its 100% certain that she didi...

You have exposed nothing except yourself.

The residue found on the right hand of Sheila, bearing the mark of the lever which operates the bolt, proves that Sheila reloaded bullets into that gun, which were subsequently fired from that gun, because the police say that when they took possession of it from the body there were no more bullets left or found inside it, yet it had fired 25 rounds? The police, relatives and you, have got something to think about now, because judgement day is looming large, and you will be having other bombshells dropped at your feet very soon - those involved in this wicked and evil conspiracy should be locked up for the rest of their lives and the key thrown away...

Hand swab evidence was rigged...

Sheila did not have clean hands when the police found her body, they took pictures which show residue on her right hand...

Sorry Mike, firstly I disagree with your allegations (which is nothing unusual of course), and secondly I disagree with the manner in which you have attempted to put this latest theory across as proof.

The appeal court in 2002 disagreed with you allegation that the hand swab was rigged.

Could you answer in a single word 'Yes or No': are saying that Sheila had residue on her hands, based on your observations alone of the photographs that you posted in this thread?

[ngb1066]

Good afternoon all

With regard to the recently disclosed negatives, would Jeremy be able to view them or are they only available to his team?Thankyou.

The terms on which the negatives have been released to Jeremy's team permit Jeremy to view them.   Obviously he does not have the negatives with him in Full Sutton but he is able to examine scanned versions on his PC.  He is doing a lot of work on this which is yielding valuable results.  It is likely that high definition prints will be commisioned of some of the negatives.

 

[mike tesko]

The photograph with the residue on Sheila's right hand is very important because it helps to provide answers as to whether or not Sheila handled the rifle, fired it, and or reloaded it with bullets. In this respect, the marks from the lever on the right side of the gun upon Sheila's right hand, show and indicates that Sheila did load more bullets into the gun, and because when the gun was eventually found by the police it was empty she must also have fired those bullets. The residue evidence which is present upon her right hand is more important that the hand swab evidence which is dodgy...

[mike tesko]

No Mike you are changing the topic and trying to be rude by casting insults, my whole beef with this thread and the allegations and claims from you is that it is nothing more than a theory of yours. I think that you know damn well that you have attempted to mislead people on this occasion.

Lets have a look at the first post in this thread again, I don't think there is a single person on here who could put their hands on their heart and say that your claim has actually come to fruition (if they were honest) by the so called revelations you make in this thread . Note the 100% bit and the dispelling a myth bit.

There was absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of senior police officers who attended the scene - that Sheila had fired the rifle which killed the others, and herself. But now I can reveal for the first time in 26 years the evidence the police obtained, and how this evidence, verified Sheila`s involvement and the role she played in the shootings. At long last the myth that Sheila could not have fired the rifle can now be exposed as nothing but a damning lie, since she did fire the rifle, its 100% certain that she didi...

You have exposed nothing except yourself.

The residue found on the right hand of Sheila, bearing the mark of the lever which operates the bolt, proves that Sheila reloaded bullets into that gun, which were subsequently fired from that gun, because the police say that when they took possession of it from the body there were no more bullets left or found inside it, yet it had fired 25 rounds? The police, relatives and you, have got something to think about now, because judgement day is looming large, and you will be having other bombshells dropped at your feet very soon - those involved in this wicked and evil conspiracy should be locked up for the rest of their lives and the key thrown away...

Hand swab evidence was rigged...

Sheila did not have clean hands when the police found her body, they took pictures which show residue on her right hand...

Sorry Mike, firstly I disagree with your allegations (which is nothing unusual of course), and secondly I disagree with the manner in which you have attempted to put this latest theory across as proof.

The appeal court in 2002 disagreed with you allegation that the hand swab was rigged.

Could you answer in a single word 'Yes or No': are saying that Sheila had residue on her hands, based on your observations alone of the photographs that you posted in this thread?

The appeal court (2002) has not disagree with my allegation that the hand swabs were rigged, since it never considered any input from me, or made any reference to the evidence which I believe proves the hand swab evidence was/is fixed and rigged. You are trying to attribute something to me, for which I played no role or part in the arguments placed before the court on that occasion. It is true that the court of appeal rejected defense arguments about the hand swabs during that appeal, but that does not mean to say that it might or could be persuaded to change its mind should some new material come to light which casts doubt upon its integrity...

[mike tesko]

As I understand it...

Many of the relatives engaged in this campaign against Jeremy, were all shooting men and women...

So...

If Essex police had shown the residue which is present on Sheila's right hand contained in the photographs I have been alluding to, to any of them, they would all have had to concede that Sheila must have handled the rifle, fired it and reloaded more bullets into it before firing them, also...

How many of the relatives would disagree that Sheila had fired, handled and loaded more bullets into the gun, once they had been shown such compelling truth contained in the photographs?

[Hartley]

But that"s a 'YES' isn't it, you have looked at the blurry images in thread and decided they show residue on Sheila's hands and that is it, yes you have lots of other opinions but are currently relying on these images alone as your proof.

Which is what I said.

I rest my case, no further questions.

[mike tesko]

As I understand it...

Many of the relatives engaged in this campaign against Jeremy, were all shooting men and women...

So...

If Essex police had shown the residue which is present on Sheila's right hand contained in the photographs I have been alluding to, to any of them, they would all have had to concede that Sheila must have handled the rifle, fired it and reloaded more bullets into it before firing them, also...

How many of the relatives would disagree that Sheila had fired, handled and loaded more bullets into the gun, once they had been shown such compelling truth contained in the photographs?

A truth which I would suggest was witnessed at first hand by DCI Taff Jones, who had caused on at least three separate occasions to throw the relatives out of the police station because he felt they were interfering with police business - DCI Jones saw the residue on Sheila's right had and he concluded that this tied in with her handling, firing and loading more bullets into the gun, and that she did shoot the others and kill herself...

[chochokeira]

No Mike you are changing the topic and trying to be rude by casting insults, my whole beef with this thread and the allegations and claims from you is that it is nothing more than a theory of yours. I think that you know damn well that you have attempted to mislead people on this occasion.

Lets have a look at the first post in this thread again, I don't think there is a single person on here who could put their hands on their heart and say that your claim has actually come to fruition (if they were honest) by the so called revelations you make in this thread . Note the 100% bit and the dispelling a myth bit.

There was absolutely no doubt at all in the minds of senior police officers who attended the scene - that Sheila had fired the rifle which killed the others, and herself. But now I can reveal for the first time in 26 years the evidence the police obtained, and how this evidence, verified Sheila`s involvement and the role she played in the shootings. At long last the myth that Sheila could not have fired the rifle can now be exposed as nothing but a damning lie, since she did fire the rifle, its 100% certain that she didi...

You have exposed nothing except yourself.

I beg to differ, Hartley, you have exposed no one but yourself here.

[mike tesko]

But that"s a 'YES' isn't it, you have looked at the blurry images in thread and decided they show residue on Sheila's hands and that is it, yes you have lots of other opinions but are currently relying on these images alone as your proof.

Which is what I said.

I rest my case, no further questions.

WRONG...

Those are your words, not mine...

Let me give you a little clue - I have seen the original photographs which clearly show this residue on Sheila Caffells right hand, and the copies you refer to, now you haven't seen these so your opinion doesn't count for anything, and until you do, your just speculating...

I have seen the original pictures, and I took a true copy of those original pictures, and there are negatives that come with these photographs which have just been released, and you are worried because the residue on Sheila's right hand has been identified, and what it stands for, has been identified, and all the implications which can be associated with it...

[Blodwynflower]

Good afternoon all

With regard to the recently disclosed negatives, would Jeremy be able to view them or are they only available to his team?Thankyou.

The terms on which the negatives have been released to Jeremy's team permit Jeremy to view them.   Obviously he does not have the negatives with him in Full Sutton but he is able to examine scanned versions on his PC.  He is doing a lot of work on this which is yielding valuable results.  It is likely that high definition prints will be commisioned of some of the negatives.

Many thanks for your detailed reply.

[Hartley]

Nope, now they are your words not mine.

You started this thread with the promise of a revelation, that hasn't happened, you are relying on the images in this thread, no two ways about it, and they are inconclusive at best and show no such thing at worst. For you to now say that the orignal were clearer and showed what you say is true just doesn't wash with me, you haven't mentioned it before and you have no more proof now than you did back in 2004, adding that since that time you have put together all manner of different theories, some plausible but many riculous in the extreme, yet you never mentioned this one in all that time.

You have even argued that Sheila washed herself, a theory completely incompatible with the revelation theory in this thread.

My opinion is that you are making it up to try and mislead people, although I will give a full written apology if you prove that not to be the case.

Why on Earth you think I would be worried is beyond me.