Julie Mugford Witness Statement Dated 08/09/1985

[mike tesko]

I suppose that people who believe her statement do not think it's a lie, they think she is being truthful when reciting what Jeremy told her and that it was Jeremy who was telling her lies about McDonald.

Mugford took every opportunity to twist everything in favor of her telling the truth, irrespective of whether it was the truth or not?

She was and is a very manipulative individual,  like so many police informants who seek to take advantage of everything to make sure they do not get proseuted for anything and everything they have done for which they should have been prosecuted for...

[Reader]

Reader would have a field day.

I have some clarifications (shown in context in bold below) that you could put in your version if you agree with them.

End of page 6: he would have left the house

Page 9 -> Jeremy didn't particularly like

End of page 9: Jeremy mentioned about

Page 10: pigeon clock and china and silver

Page 13: Jeremy who appeared upset.

End of page 13: I didn't say anything

On page 14, there is a crossed out partial sentence: He said that Mathew had phoned him from the farm, which I took to be White House Farm, that morning and

That crossed out sentence is followed by: He said that before he had phoned me that morning Mathew had phoned from the house, which I took to be the farm, and said that everything had been completed and proceeded to tell him about

[tonker]

Julie worked for North Maldon Growers in Goldhanger, not the greengrocers!

[Hartley]

Julie worked for North Maldon Growers in Goldhanger, not the greengrocers!

Where does it say that tonker?

[Hartley]

Reader would have a field day.

I have some clarifications (shown in context in bold below) that you could put in your version if you agree with them.

End of page 6: he would have left the house

Page 9 -> Jeremy didn't particularly like

End of page 9: Jeremy mentioned about

Page 10: pigeon clock and china and silver

Page 13: Jeremy who appeared upset.

End of page 13: I didn't say anything

On page 14, there is a crossed out partial sentence: He said that Mathew had phoned him from the farm, which I took to be White House Farm, that morning and

That crossed out sentence is followed by: He said that before he had phoned me that morning Mathew had phoned from the house, which I took to be the farm, and said that everything had been completed and proceeded to tell him about

Thank you Reader, I will update accordingly.

[grahameb]

Julie worked for North Maldon Growers in Goldhanger, not the greengrocers!

Tonker. I wonder if you would introduce yourself in the foyer please? Thank you.

[andrea]

i caught tonker smiting someone the other night, bloody cheek

[Caroline R]

A few people have mentioned that the signature and body of text are different - I believe witnesses don't write their own statements. They are transcribed from tape and the witness just signs them

[Bridget]

A few people have mentioned that the signature and body of text are different - I believe witnesses don't write their own statements. They are transcribed from tape and the witness just signs them

They're not normally transcribed, but the police generally write them and then the witness reads them back and signs them.

[Patti]

They're not normally transcribed, but the police generally write them and then the witness reads them back and signs them.

Beg to differ....that might have been the case a long time ago....but now the interview is taped, transcribed and the interviewee gets a copy of the statement and tapes....I also believe this to be the case in the 80's too.....might depend on the Counties...

[Bridget]

Beg to differ....that might have been the case a long time ago....but now the interview is taped, transcribed and the interviewee gets a copy of the statement and tapes....I also believe this to be the case in the 80's too.....might depend on the Counties...

I have given several here in Essex, and the way I describe is the way they've always done it. Interviews are routinely taped and transcribed, are you mixing them up?

[curiousessex]

Beg to differ....that might have been the case a long time ago....but now the interview is taped, transcribed and the interviewee gets a copy of the statement and tapes....I also believe this to be the case in the 80's too.....might depend on the Counties...

The audio tape recording of interviewss with suspected persons was introduced under PACE which cam about in the mid 1980's and after Jeremy was interviewed as a suspect.

Interviews with witnesses at that time were not audio taped. However, it is the case certain categories of interviews with witnesses are video recorded. These categories include child witnesses, vulnerable victims, intimidated witnesses etc. The video recordings can then be used in a court of law as the evidence in chief although the witness needs to be available for cross examination in court via video link.

Feel free to google the Police And Criminal Evidence Act along with the Childrens Act and Achieving Best Evidence.

Given the time frame of the White House Farm murders, for which Jeremy was convicted, the interviews at that time would have been recorded by contemporaneous / hand written notes which would have then been signed by those who had been interviewed / made the statement etc. It is those hand written signed statements notes which could later be typed up.

[Roch]

Given the time frame of the White House Farm murders, for which Jeremy was convicted, the interviews at that time would have been recorded by contemporaneous / hand written notes which would have then been signed by those who had been interviewed / made the statement etc. It is those hand written signed statements notes which could later be typed up.

Curious... how much would you pay to get your hands on those handwritten notes from the interviews?  I bet the handwritten SOC register would go for a few bob also.  And the audio recordings of the phone call/s?

[grahameb]

Curious... how much would you pay to get your hands on those handwritten notes from the interviews?  I bet the handwritten SOC register would go for a few bob also.  And the audio recordings of the phone call/s?

I'd like a few hours amonst their records.

[-Harters-]

Curious... how much would you pay to get your hands on those handwritten notes from the interviews?  I bet the handwritten SOC register would go for a few bob also.  And the audio recordings of the phone call/s?

Phone call recording were destroyed/recorded over.