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vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« on: September 30, 2011, 08:41:AM »
Presence of a vertical trail of blood from the lower entry wound, which is absent from the upper entry wound, helps to establish that Sheila was stood upright after she was shot in the right side of the neck - and that the second fatal shot under the chin occurred later...

A silencer was used at time first shot was inflicted, but not later when second fatal shot was received...

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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 09:07:AM »
I dont think such a deduction can be made that a silencer was used on the weapon that inflicted the first wound on Sheila's neck from how the blood ran from Sheila's first wound.

The blood in a silencer evidence is highly dodgy at best and cannot be proven to be Sheila's.
The provenance of the silencer is  seriously questionable.
Etc etc etc.
The silencer evidence is so dodgy in my view nothing from it can be relied upon.
At best it appears to incriminate the group of DB, RB, AE, PE and AP as it strangely came into their possesion which they cant explain satisfactorily.


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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 09:12:AM »
As yet...

There has not been an official explanation for the presence of this vertical trail of blood from the lower wound, and an absence from the upper entry wound...
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 10:03:AM »
The vertical trail of blood from Sheila's first wound , well near vertical) is quite distinct from the main flow to the right from the wound.
The lesser amount of blood that flowed vertically is most important evidence. It seems that this flow may have been wiped/cleaned a little at some time. Possibly from contact with the neckline area of her nightdress.  Some of the more prominent blood staining on the neckline area may have been because it lined up with the vertical flow from the wound and has shifted due to movement of the nighdress in relation to her body.
Even so..for such a wound there is a relatively small amount of blood that has flowed vertically as most of it has flowed more to the right.  The vertical flow is not great so it means she cannot have been in the vertical position very long at all. A good chance that this would have been well under a minute.
In my view its not possible to define if she was upright when the first wound was inflicted  and thus the vertical flow occurred shortly after infliction or whether the flow occurred a little later as a result of her moving or being moved.

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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 08:43:PM »
The vertical trail of blood from Sheila's first wound , well near vertical) is quite distinct from the main flow to the right from the wound.
The lesser amount of blood that flowed vertically is most important evidence. It seems that this flow may have been wiped/cleaned a little at some time. Possibly from contact with the neckline area of her nightdress.  Some of the more prominent blood staining on the neckline area may have been because it lined up with the vertical flow from the wound and has shifted due to movement of the nighdress in relation to her body.
Even so..for such a wound there is a relatively small amount of blood that has flowed vertically as most of it has flowed more to the right.  The vertical flow is not great so it means she cannot have been in the vertical position very long at all. A good chance that this would have been well under a minute.
In my view its not possible to define if she was upright when the first wound was inflicted  and thus the vertical flow occurred shortly after infliction or whether the flow occurred a little later as a result of her moving or being moved.

Once Sheila was shot to the right side of the neck, she used the fingers of her right hand to grasp the lower wound site, and at that stage blood which ran from the non fatal wound ran across the top part of her hand and created the large triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of her nightdress. You can tell that the vertical run of blood from the lower non fatal wound (bullet PV/20) and the triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of the nightdress appear to run in the same general direction, and therefore must be linked together and associated one with the other...

The folded right arm and hand operated as a bridge to allow the blood from the lower non fatal wound on the right side of the neck, to become deposited by virtue of the bridged hand/arm movement onto the nightdress...

This could not apply to the upper fatal shot because the direction of blood flow from the upper fatal entry wound site goes in the wrong direction - or in other words, because the shot under the chin was instantaneously fatal, it would not have been possible for Sheila to use her right hand to hold the fatal wound site under the chin so that blood ran upon it and created the triangular bloodstain, on the nightdress, aforementioned...

If Sheila's hand was used at all to help displace the blood from one of the wounds to the nightdress in the terms described by me in this posting, it could only apply to the first non fatal wound, since Sheila survived that first shot...
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 08:48:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 08:53:PM »
How did the blood get onto Sheila's right forearm in this crime scene pictrure, from the fatal shot under the chin - I need someone to come up with some sort of an explanation to account for this feature and link it to the fatal shot under the chin?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 09:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 09:11:PM »
Lets examine the neck/throat after police moved position of rifles barrel on body during stage managing process?
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 09:17:PM »
Lets look at the mark around the lower non fatal wound site (bullet PV/20) and the dimensions of the silencers end cap?
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 09:22:PM »
I don't think the blood trail which appears to run horizontally from the lower neck wound, is blood which leaked and ran from the lower wound - I think it is blood from, the upper wound site, which got transferred onto that part of the neck, when the police went about stage managing the body...

If we treat this blood as originating from the upper wound beneath the chin, it becomes obvious that blood from the first wound ran vertically (in a fashion) other than it was displaced onto the upper right hand side of the nightdress by way of Sheila's right hand and arm...
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 09:22:PM »
Lets look at the mark around the lower non fatal wound site (bullet PV/20) and the dimensions of the silencers end cap?
Your superimposed image is clearly not to scale Mike - what are you hoping to achieve?

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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 09:28:PM »
Lets look at the mark around the lower non fatal wound site (bullet PV/20) and the dimensions of the silencers end cap?
Your superimposed image is clearly not to scale Mike - what are you hoping to achieve?

I could mess around with the editing of the silencers en cap and get it so that it is the exact same size and dimensions, but there is no need because the point I was hoping to show was that a silencers end cap made that mark around the lower non fatal entry wound on Sheila's neck, whereas, no similar mark is visible anywhere around the upper fatal wound site...

According to the ballistic experts report, the upper wound (fatal) was a contact wound, and the lower non fatal wound was inflicted with the muzzle of the weapon within 3 inches - yet there is clearly a mark around the lower non fatal entry wound site, and non in existence around the upper fatal one, which turns the ballistic experts conclusions on its head...

Additionally, I would like to hear an explanation or theory as to how those marks could have got onto the right forearm of Sheila, and the top part of her right hand after the fatal under the chin shot was fired and Sheila was instantaneously killed, and her arm moved back into position on the gun?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 09:38:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 09:40:PM »
You see, if Shelia did not struggle with anyone, and she was shot twice in the bedroom within a split second of each shot - exactly how did these marks and bloodstains get onto her right forearm, upper right arm, top part of her right hand, at the time of, and after the fatal bullet (PV/19) was fired under the chin terminating her life there and then in an instant?

I need to be educated by someone in the know, if possible?

How can anyone argue that Sheila did not struggle with anyone?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 09:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 09:36:AM »
It also remains possible that DC Hammersley fingerprinted Sheila's hands at the scene, and that this left ink residue on her right hand, which in turn got transferred onto the front lower part of her nightdress, a mixture of firearms residue, blood and ink...
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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2011, 11:44:AM »
The vertical trail of blood from Sheila's first wound , well near vertical) is quite distinct from the main flow to the right from the wound.
The lesser amount of blood that flowed vertically is most important evidence. It seems that this flow may have been wiped/cleaned a little at some time. Possibly from contact with the neckline area of her nightdress.  Some of the more prominent blood staining on the neckline area may have been because it lined up with the vertical flow from the wound and has shifted due to movement of the nighdress in relation to her body.
Even so..for such a wound there is a relatively small amount of blood that has flowed vertically as most of it has flowed more to the right.  The vertical flow is not great so it means she cannot have been in the vertical position very long at all. A good chance that this would have been well under a minute.
In my view its not possible to define if she was upright when the first wound was inflicted  and thus the vertical flow occurred shortly after infliction or whether the flow occurred a little later as a result of her moving or being moved.

Once Sheila was shot to the right side of the neck, she used the fingers of her right hand to grasp the lower wound site, and at that stage blood which ran from the non fatal wound ran across the top part of her hand and created the large triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of her nightdress. You can tell that the vertical run of blood from the lower non fatal wound (bullet PV/20) and the triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of the nightdress appear to run in the same general direction, and therefore must be linked together and associated one with the other...

The folded right arm and hand operated as a bridge to allow the blood from the lower non fatal wound on the right side of the neck, to become deposited by virtue of the bridged hand/arm movement onto the nightdress...

This could not apply to the upper fatal shot because the direction of blood flow from the upper fatal entry wound site goes in the wrong direction - or in other words, because the shot under the chin was instantaneously fatal, it would not have been possible for Sheila to use her right hand to hold the fatal wound site under the chin so that blood ran upon it and created the triangular bloodstain, on the nightdress, aforementioned...

If Sheila's hand was used at all to help displace the blood from one of the wounds to the nightdress in the terms described by me in this posting, it could only apply to the first non fatal wound, since Sheila survived that first shot...


Lets blow Mike's theory on this first shot to Sheila occurring in the struggle with Ralph to bits.
If it was inflicted and she raised her right arm to divert the flow of blood as Mike suggests then she would not be able to fire the 4 shots into Ralph's head that had to occur post struggle.  So we need a re-start of vertical flow of blood.
 

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Re: vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 05:17:PM »
The vertical trail of blood from Sheila's first wound , well near vertical) is quite distinct from the main flow to the right from the wound.
The lesser amount of blood that flowed vertically is most important evidence. It seems that this flow may have been wiped/cleaned a little at some time. Possibly from contact with the neckline area of her nightdress.  Some of the more prominent blood staining on the neckline area may have been because it lined up with the vertical flow from the wound and has shifted due to movement of the nighdress in relation to her body.
Even so..for such a wound there is a relatively small amount of blood that has flowed vertically as most of it has flowed more to the right.  The vertical flow is not great so it means she cannot have been in the vertical position very long at all. A good chance that this would have been well under a minute.
In my view its not possible to define if she was upright when the first wound was inflicted  and thus the vertical flow occurred shortly after infliction or whether the flow occurred a little later as a result of her moving or being moved.

Once Sheila was shot to the right side of the neck, she used the fingers of her right hand to grasp the lower wound site, and at that stage blood which ran from the non fatal wound ran across the top part of her hand and created the large triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of her nightdress. You can tell that the vertical run of blood from the lower non fatal wound (bullet PV/20) and the triangular bloodstain on the top right hand side of the nightdress appear to run in the same general direction, and therefore must be linked together and associated one with the other...

The folded right arm and hand operated as a bridge to allow the blood from the lower non fatal wound on the right side of the neck, to become deposited by virtue of the bridged hand/arm movement onto the nightdress...

This could not apply to the upper fatal shot because the direction of blood flow from the upper fatal entry wound site goes in the wrong direction - or in other words, because the shot under the chin was instantaneously fatal, it would not have been possible for Sheila to use her right hand to hold the fatal wound site under the chin so that blood ran upon it and created the triangular bloodstain, on the nightdress, aforementioned...

If Sheila's hand was used at all to help displace the blood from one of the wounds to the nightdress in the terms described by me in this posting, it could only apply to the first non fatal wound, since Sheila survived that first shot...


Lets blow Mike's theory on this first shot to Sheila occurring in the struggle with Ralph to bits.
If it was inflicted and she raised her right arm to divert the flow of blood as Mike suggests then she would not be able to fire the 4 shots into Ralph's head that had to occur post struggle.  So we need a re-start of vertical flow of blood.

Ah...

Now its getting interesting - who said Sheila fired the four head wounds? Key to understanding what actually took place, involves the content of the withheld officers report which deals with the shooting incident downstairs in the kitchen...

The four head wounds inflicted onto the top of Ralph's head could have been inflicted when he was sat in that chair, behind the door...
« Last Edit: October 01, 2011, 05:58:PM by mike tesko »
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