why dident the boys wake up

[nugnug]

now whoever killed the bamber family.

weather it was Jeremy sheila or someone else how did they do it without managing to wake the children.

[Steve A]

now whoever killed the bamber family.

weather it was Jeremy sheila or someone else how did they do it without managing to wake the children.

Do you think it's possible that they didn't wake up because they were the first victims to be shot?

If it was JB, then there's a possible argument that the children would have been the lowest threat and would have been the last victims rather than the first.

[nugnug]

i think that's very possible

but how would the killer get past the others in to the boys bedroom.

if sheila was the killer it wouldn't have been that hard but how would someone else do it.

[grahameb]

i think that's very possible

but how would the killer get past the others in to the boys bedroom.

if sheila was the killer it wouldn't have been that hard but how would someone else do it.

If it wasn't Sheila then it would have been very difficult as it is very possible that she was still awake?

[Steve A]

i think that's very possible

but how would the killer get past the others in to the boys bedroom.

if sheila was the killer it wouldn't have been that hard but how would someone else do it.

Well if everyone else was in bed then I suppose it's possible, as there's nobody to get past. I've seen a few discussions questioning how loud the shots would have been even with a silencer, but I still don't really know whether the shots would be loud enough to wake other people up.

Looking at the floor plans, if everyone was in bed then they are all grouped quite close together at that end of the house, I don't know if that helps or hinders either argument?

[nugnug]

well certainly if a silencer wasn't used they would have woken so i would guess must have been used who ever did it.

[andrea]

the twins were shot first, thats why they didnt hear anyting. Thankfully it seems they were oblivious as to what was going on, one still had his thumb in his mouth.

[nugnug]

could be possible that in a house that size that might not have woken up anyway.

[ngb1066]

well certainly if a silencer wasn't used they would have woken so i would guess must have been used who ever did it.

nugnug  -  I do not agree with that.  A .22 rifle using subsonic ammunition as was used at WHF does not make that much noise when fired.  Bear in mind also that this was an old house with thick walls.  I do not believe that the twins would necessarily have woken up when shots were fired in the house.

 

[bigpod]

.22's are very quiet as guns go. I know I slept through a lot of 7.62mm rounds being fired close by in my youth. I see absolutely no reason why tired children couldn't sleep through .22 shots

[grahameb]

.22's are very quiet as guns go. I know I slept through a lot of 7.62mm rounds being fired close by in my youth. I see absolutely no reason why tired children couldn't sleep through .22 shots

And I slept through the busy traffice on the Romford Road at Forest Gate as well.

[nugnug]

but its not just the shots theres also all the crashing and banging downstiars.

and maybe shouting as well.

[OnceSaid]

I dont see any reason why they would have woke up.  I dont see any reason why June or the kids would have heard any commotion downstairs, if Ralf and Sheila were down in the kitchen, there bedroom doors could have been closed and the kitchen door also closed.

Looking at it from a different angle IF there was a hitman I think out of all 3 adults SC would have been the one to put up a fight, I dont think for a minute that she would have complied, and would have fought for her life and that of her kids and family.

[clifford]

I dont see any reason why they would have woke up.  I dont see any reason why June or the kids would have heard any commotion downstairs, if Ralf and Sheila were down in the kitchen, there bedroom doors could have been closed and the kitchen door also closed.

Looking at it from a different angle IF there was a hitman I think out of all 3 adults SC would have been the one to put up a fight, I dont think for a minute that she would have complied, and would have fought for her life and that of her kids and family.

But the truth is that the 2nd world war pilot was the only one to put up a fight.

[nugnug]

I dont see any reason why they would have woke up.  I dont see any reason why June or the kids would have heard any commotion downstairs, if Ralf and Sheila were down in the kitchen, there bedroom doors could have been closed and the kitchen door also closed.

Looking at it from a different angle IF there was a hitman I think out of all 3 adults SC would have been the one to put up a fight, I dont think for a minute that she would have complied, and would have fought for her life and that of her kids and family.

thats assuming they dident shoot her before she could.