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Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« on: August 26, 2011, 11:19:AM »
In her COLP interview Ann describes going to whf and arriving at 9.30 am  on the 10th august 1985 and later on locking up and leaving at dinner time. There is no mention of anyone else turning up that morining.
Ann describes cleaning floors and the clothes in the buckets etc.
She also bizarrely mentions (she may be making this up) seeing a piece of screwed up paper in the keyhole (backdoor is not mentioned but it is implied)....and she claims to remove it and unfurl it in case it is a clue of some sort. She offers opinion it may have been fitted to prevent a draught.
The puzzle is why she is bothering to mention this at all.
Is she making this claim to play ignorant to distance herself from the crime or trying to use it to implicate JB in a manner which seems unfathomable. A boast maybe of how good an investigator she may think herself to be.

Which brings us to the door in question and how stupid this is.  The door in question was a new door fitted to replace the one the police had forced entry though. Thus any claimed piece of paper would be unusual to be stuffed in a lock..if there ever was...and certainly not done in August to prevent a draught.
Obviously later on she should have found out the door had been replaced by the police and its probable she knew it on the 10th if not before. So here she is making a comment that appears to be one  that implies ignorance of the door being changed. It seems she wants us to think she didnt know the door had been changed when she must have knew it had been or would have known that later anyway before making any statement about it.
The back door that had been there, which the police forced entry through, had only recently been fitted at whf. This it would seem is supposed to be something Ann would not have seen prior to the murders.
It is as though she wants people to believe she was unable to recognise the difference between the 2 doors as she wants people to think the replacement door was the one fitted at the time of the murder as though she could not tell the difference from lack of viewing. The paper in the lock being there prior to the murder being the train of though.
It as though she knew all to well the backdoor had been changed prior to the murder but was saying things to the contrary to give the impression she did not know.
The paper in the keyhole line also brings in the subject of keys and locks and a previous claimed belief of some relatives  that a spare key was kept in the garage. The police reported that a key was in the lock of the lock of the backdoor (from the inside) when they gained entry.
However Ann's comment about paper stuffed in the keyhole (which seems dodgy) and her impression that she is giving out by her claim is one that "her being fooled " into believing paper was stuffed in the keyhole meant she was ignorant of a key being in the keyhole  inserted from the inside.
It could be viewed that she is playing ignorant here to distance herself from having proper accurate knowledge about the back door and key/lock status that was relevant at the time of the crime.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 11:21:AM by smiffy »

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 11:40:AM »
I may be wrong here? But remember a great tragedy had just occurred where 5 people had died in that house. Furthermore she had on her mind the task before her. The unpleasant job of cleaning up blood. When something like this happens and that to a family who were living and breathing just a week beforehand, I should think that her senses were very keen to raw and every little thing might have had some kind of clue as to what really happened there that night. It was something that would have made me sick to my stomach if I had to do what Anne had to do that day? So I think that the most logical thing was that her senses were so on edge that day that every little thing could have some clue in it. I don't know what you think, but I could think of some of the hardest soldiers would break down under such pressure. I cannot think that Anne was that hard hearted as not to be moved by such a thing. And I think that it was this kind of thing that first set the family onto thinking that something didn't seem quite right to them. And we all know what that led to.
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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 02:07:PM »
maybe she just a rather active imagination

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 02:58:PM »
maybe she just a rather active imagination
I can confirm from personal experience that this kind of thing sets off an adrenalin rush and we find ourselves thinking and doing some very odd things. Anne was probably suffering from trauma that she herself wasn't even ready to admit to. What was going on inside her was a terrible shock. We mustn't be too hard on Anne here. She wasn't super hard or a superhuman and I don't think at that time inheritance even entered her head?

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 03:08:PM »
maybe she just a rather active imagination
I can confirm from personal experience that this kind of thing sets off an adrenalin rush and we find ourselves thinking and doing some very odd things. Anne was probably suffering from trauma that she herself wasn't even ready to admit to. What was going on inside her was a terrible shock. We mustn't be too hard on Anne here. She wasn't super hard or a superhuman and I don't think at that time inheritance even entered her head?

Ann and co went to the police on the 9th and had already well formed views that JB was guilty and her she was out and out looking for anything she could that may incriminate him rightly or wrongly.
A hyper vigilant approach maybe but witha mindset in which confirmation bias would be present as she had already decided in her mind that JB was guilty and she was not going to be led by the evidence.

But later that same day it is alleged that a silencer is found (poppycock) and her hyper vigilance is not working then as her differing versions of that fabricated story expose that hyper vigilance was not at work.

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 04:38:PM »
maybe she just a rather active imagination
I can confirm from personal experience that this kind of thing sets off an adrenalin rush and we find ourselves thinking and doing some very odd things. Anne was probably suffering from trauma that she herself wasn't even ready to admit to. What was going on inside her was a terrible shock. We mustn't be too hard on Anne here. She wasn't super hard or a superhuman and I don't think at that time inheritance even entered her head?

Ann and co went to the police on the 9th and had already well formed views that JB was guilty and her she was out and out looking for anything she could that may incriminate him rightly or wrongly.
A hyper vigilant approach maybe but witha mindset in which confirmation bias would be present as she had already decided in her mind that JB was guilty and she was not going to be led by the evidence.

But later that same day it is alleged that a silencer is found (poppycock) and her hyper vigilance is not working then as her differing versions of that fabricated story expose that hyper vigilance was not at work.
Yes, it does seem rather soon after the event to have clear thoughts as to whether JB was guilty or not? I should have thought that a family in grief wouldn't jump to conclusions that quickly?

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 04:46:PM »
well in most murder cases it is the police who convince the victims family that the suspect is guilty not the other way around.

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Re: Ann Eatons bizarre paper in keyhole claim.
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 06:47:PM »
Even if Ann was being hyper vigilant on the 10th august the COLP interview was in 1991 and such a seemingly irrelevant trivial matter would not seem to be worthy of mention. That she did mention it raises its importance in her mind leaving the listener to wonder and speculate as to what is really going on and why she said what she did.

In another part of the COLP interview she says she did not "emotionally cry" for some time (about funeral if I remember right).  Again an odd thing to say....so were tears or crying prior to that time faked then and not real?
Several days after the murder she keeps noticing all the time that JB is showing "no remorse".  Quite strange really unless she has already formed a rock solid view that he was guilty and admitting it.
Innocent people are not going to feel remorse so he claims on that issue are bizarre. The desperation to to tell others JB is the killer seems way over the top and her thinking seems most illogical at times.