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The West Memphis Three are Free Men.
« on: August 21, 2011, 12:04:PM »
With the help of many, many supporters, finally three men who spent 18 years in prison for three murders they did not commit, are free since Friday. They went to prison at the age of 16, 17 an 18, the oldest was sentenced to death.
Their release is NOT perfect, since they had to admit to guilt to be set free - and all three of them had to do that, otherwise, no release. One of them did not want to accept this deal, but wanted a new trial based on new DNA evidence, which supporters funded. The reason for him changing his mind and accepting was out of consideration for Damien Echols, the one on Death Row; apart from the possibility of him being executed, he has been in poor health the last two years and simply needs medical care.
The DNA evidence must point away from the three - but we will never know. There are rumours that the West Memphis Police Department are going to DESTROY THAT EVIDENCE! It is a travesty, but they are free now. Just wanted to share this as an example of supporter groups having been successful in freeing prisoners.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 11:39:PM »
I can understand why one of them wanted to refuse the deal, but I can also understand why the deal was accepted.  It's a catch 22 decision.  I think these 3 guys will need as much help and support, if not more, from their army of supporters. I doubt if the authorities will offer them any kind of help and they are very likely to struggle with life on the outside.

I hope their supporters continue to help the guys prove their innocence.  The worry is that now they are released the contact may be lost, as they try to cope with their own individual problems.  In cases like this when they are literally thrown out in the street, with no preparation for the outside world, it is not always a happy ending.  Now that I think of it, I dont even know of a happy ending after release, from a miscarriage of justice.  :(

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2011, 11:57:PM »
With the help of many, many supporters, finally three men who spent 18 years in prison for three murders they did not commit, are free since Friday. They went to prison at the age of 16, 17 an 18, the oldest was sentenced to death.
Their release is NOT perfect, since they had to admit to guilt to be set free - and all three of them had to do that, otherwise, no release. One of them did not want to accept this deal, but wanted a new trial based on new DNA evidence, which supporters funded. The reason for him changing his mind and accepting was out of consideration for Damien Echols, the one on Death Row; apart from the possibility of him being executed, he has been in poor health the last two years and simply needs medical care.
The DNA evidence must point away from the three - but we will never know. There are rumours that the West Memphis Police Department are going to DESTROY THAT EVIDENCE! It is a travesty, but they are free now. Just wanted to share this as an example of supporter groups having been successful in freeing prisoners.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live


Thanks for posting this, abs. +1

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 10:43:AM »
You are so right, OnceSaid. I worry about those three - life on the outside will be extremely difficult for them. This is all so sad. Imagine having your entire youth stolen from you like that!
And thanks, chocho. The strong supporter movement started with an HBO documentary, Pardise Lost. If it wasn´t for that docu, not many people would have known about this case, and they would most likely never get out of prison and Damien Echols would hav been executed.
This is really a brilliant example of what supporter groups can achieve, the authorities clearly don´t care about justice. It is scary.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 11:27:AM »
Strange how much effort the authorities go to in order to protect the guilty?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 08:32:PM »
Strange how much effort the authorities go to in order to protect the guilty?

Personally I think the prosecution knew that if the guys ever got a retrial that they would have walked free and innocent men and the investigation and trial that followed would have been revealed to the world for what it was, a stitch up.

Doing it this way they had the guys by the balls, due to the length of time it takes with the appeal process, and the guy on death row and his ill health etc, the prosecution knew it would be a done deal.  All 3 had to agree to the terms.  I feel heart sorry for them as I dont think they will recieve any help at all, apart from help given by their families and supporters.

I hope that they find the strength to carry on and prove their innocence with the backing of their loyal supporters.  I'm not sure how the system works over there, I am assuing that unless they get someone to work pro bono, then they will have no way of paying legal/court costs to fight their corner.

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 02:48:PM »
its not to hard in this case to work out who really did it witch makes there conviction all the more shameful.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 07:55:PM »
Who do you think did it, nugnug?

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 08:07:PM »
i would say there is a very good case against john mark Byers.

stepfather of one of the victems.

when his step sons body was found there many wounds on it some of witch had healed.

witch would indicate he had been the victim of child abuse.

when dental checks were going to be done against the bit marks.

all mr byers teeth mysteriously fell out.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 08:40:PM »
i would say there is a very good case against john mark Byers.

stepfather of one of the victems.

when his step sons body was found there many wounds on it some of witch had healed.

witch would indicate he had been the victim of child abuse.

when dental checks were going to be done against the bit marks.

all mr byers teeth mysteriously fell out.

He had his teeth removed, yes. Due to years of dental problems, according to him. I am not sure there were any (human) bite marks on the three little boys.
No doubt Christopher Byers was a victim of child abuse by his step father, John Mark Byers (and perhaps his mother too, a rather heavy drug addict); but so was Steve Branch by HIS stepfather, Terry Hobbs.
Now, the supporter movement funded some additional DNA testing a few years ago. The results were than none of the WM3`s DNA was anywhere and neither was John Mark Byers's.
What they found was, a hair consistent with Terry Hobbs was found in the ligature of one of the victims (not his stepson), furthermore, DNA from a friend of Terry Hobbs, with whom he actually was the night of the murders, was found on a tree stub at the crime scene/dump site.
I don't know of course, who did it, could be anyone; but Terry Hobbs claims he did not see his stepson at all that day or night, but a neighbour says she is positive he did.
Terry Hobbs has a checkered past. When he was a young man, he broke into a house where a 52 year old woman was taking a shower. He walked right into the shower and started fondling her. In a fight, he shot his brother in law (I can't remember whether he died - I think he did, and it was dealt with as pretty much an accident.)
Terry Hobbs's wife, Pamela (Stevie's mother), found a pocket knife among the possessions of Terry after the murders. That was her little murdered son´s knife, which she claims he had had on him always till the day he died. For that reason, and for his violent and lying ways, she thinks it is possible that Terry Hobbs (from whom she is now divorced) might be the culprit.
John Mark Byers has a checkered past as well. Violence, theft, drug abuse, drug dealing and his wife, Christopher Byers´ (one of the little victims) mother died mysteriously in her bed, while JM Byers lay right beside her. HE claims that she simply lost her will to live.

It is hard to tell, nugnug, but at least the three are free now, and Damien Echols won't be executed. It would be nice to find out who the real culprit/s is/are though. For everyone; the families of the three little victims and for the WM3.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 09:05:PM »
well the other thing that makes byers a good bit suppicious is the speed at witch he reported his stepson missing.

it was the middel of the afternoon.

and he was a tiny bit late home.

less than hour i believe.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 10:16:PM »
well the other thing that makes byers a good bit suppicious is the speed at witch he reported his stepson missing.

it was the middel of the afternoon.

and he was a tiny bit late home.

less than hour i believe.

The boys were last seen around 6:pm, I think that Byers reported it around eight.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 10:45:PM »
certanly it must have been someone they knew.

3 of them and none of them got away meaning they went with there attacker voluntarily

in that did byers go and look for them.

8pm still sounds a bit early to go phoning the police..

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 10:57:PM »
certanly it must have been someone they knew.

3 of them and none of them got away meaning they went with there attacker voluntarily

in that did byers go and look for them.

8pm still sounds a bit early to go phoning the police..

I am not trying to defend him - I don´t know who did this. But Byers was on "friendly" terms with the WMPD, he was a drug informant. Members of the police force often went to pool parties at his house. So he spoke with those guys on a daily basis, so perhaps it wouldn´t take so much for him to pick up the phone and call his "buddies".
I don´t think that the fact that he phoned "early" makes him a suspect per se. He is an odd man though, and he LOOOOVES being in the media and did right from get go.

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 12:36:PM »
I watched this documentary just a few days ago (about the 7th april 2012) even the parents of the dead children don't believe these men to be guilty anymore