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Jackiepreece

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More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« on: August 17, 2011, 12:14:PM »
I have just come off the phone from Jeremy he is furious about the lies in the Express and Mirror today


He has had no parole hearings

The only money he has ever had to fight his case is £600

Jeremy has just asked me to tweet everyone so I can put a stop to these lies straightaway

I wonder who has spread the latest lies?

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2011, 12:54:PM »
To save people searching:

Mirror article: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/17/moors-murderer-ian-brady-gets-8k-legal-aid-to-fight-for-his-right-to-die-115875-23350141/

Express Article: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265558/Ian-Brady-get-8k-legal-aid-to-fight-for-right-to-die-

Scottish Daily Record article: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/08/17/evil-moors-murderer-ian-brady-gets-8k-legal-aid-to-fight-for-his-right-to-die-86908-23350782/
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The articles are all identical, I have no idea whether the contents are factual, the article does offer very precise figures, whether that's an indication of anything I don't know.

Jackiepreece

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2011, 01:18:PM »
Hartley you know very well it's not true prisoners on a full life tariff  do not get parole hearings.

You were very quick with the links did you know the articles were coming out

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 01:25:PM »
Hartley you know very well it's not true prisoners on a full life tariff  do not get parole hearings.

You were very quick with the links did you know the articles were coming out
It doesn't say he's had parole hearings.

It says the money was used "for 13 separate attempts to get parole and reduce his sentence"

Jackiepreece

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 01:34:PM »
As you seem to know a lot about this case Bob are you agreeing that he has all this money and do you not agree the article is misleading?

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 01:42:PM »
Response to articles, if anyone is interested and hasn't seen already:

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2011, 01:52:PM »
Hartley you know very well it's not true prisoners on a full life tariff  do not get parole hearings.

You were very quick with the links did you know the articles were coming out

No Jackie, I do not know whether the contents of the article are true or not (as I mentioned above), he has also not been on a whole life tariff for the entirety of his captivity, but that's another matter.

No I did not know the articles were coming out. I have this thing called a computer. On this computer is a web browser, I use Firefox, some people use IE or Chrome. What you can do is use a search engine, like google to search for articles.

You mentioned the articles, I found them. I'm just very quick in general. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2011, 02:07:PM »
As you seem to know a lot about this case Bob are you agreeing that he has all this money and do you not agree the article is misleading?
I have no idea whether he's had this money or not - clearly the journalists think he has but they could well have it wrong, and if so will have to print a retraction presumably. On that basis I can't tell if the article is misleading or not.

I did find your comment misleading though, as it seemed to suggest the article said something that it didn't.

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 06:48:PM »
I have just come off the phone from Jeremy he is furious about the lies in the Express and Mirror today


He has had no parole hearings

The only money he has ever had to fight his case is £600

Jeremy has just asked me to tweet everyone so I can put a stop to these lies straightaway

I wonder who has spread the latest lies?
Yes I saw that in the Mirror. Theres a better piece in the Maldon and burnham standard though and apparently he has won the right to speak to journalists as the feelings of the family has been ruled as not being sufficient reason to prevent this.

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 12:50:AM »
I have just come off the phone from Jeremy he is furious about the lies in the Express and Mirror today


He has had no parole hearings

The only money he has ever had to fight his case is £600

Jeremy has just asked me to tweet everyone so I can put a stop to these lies straightaway

I wonder who has spread the latest lies?
Yes I saw that in the Mirror. Theres a better piece in the Maldon and burnham standard though and apparently he has won the right to speak to journalists as the feelings of the family has been ruled as not being sufficient reason to prevent this.

Is there any way that you can provide a link to the article please Grahame? Im rubbish at finding things.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2011, 01:02:AM »
This families fighting for justices founder - Jean somebody or another,appears to poking her nose in everywhere at the moment!


What about the rights of wrongly convicted prisoners fighting for justice?

There appears to be no justice for them!
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Jackiepreece

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2011, 01:10:AM »
+ 1 Exactly Tyler!

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2011, 09:03:AM »
Hartley you know very well it's not true prisoners on a full life tariff  do not get parole hearings.

You were very quick with the links did you know the articles were coming out
It doesn't say he's had parole hearings.

It says the money was used "for 13 separate attempts to get parole and reduce his sentence"
I know what Jackie means. The operative word is "parole". They say parole when it was not the right word to use as it would have been fultile for JB even to try to applyfor parole.

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Re: More Lies About Jeremy In the Press
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2011, 09:15:AM »
I have just come off the phone from Jeremy he is furious about the lies in the Express and Mirror today


He has had no parole hearings

The only money he has ever had to fight his case is £600

Jeremy has just asked me to tweet everyone so I can put a stop to these lies straightaway

I wonder who has spread the latest lies?
Yes I saw that in the Mirror. Theres a better piece in the Maldon and burnham standard though and apparently he has won the right to speak to journalists as the feelings of the family has been ruled as not being sufficient reason to prevent this.

Is there any way that you can provide a link to the article please Grahame? Im rubbish at finding things.
I tried to get it from the Maldon & Burnham Standard online. But can't find it. So I scanned it. Hope M&B don't mind?

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2011, 11:14:AM »
With regard to the published articles about Legal Aid it should be noted that the prisoners concerned do not physically get the money.

The Legal Aid system, depending on the application, is a means tested system which will take people's financial situation into consideration. It is a support facility for people who are involved in a legal situation. As such, it is not the prisoners who are featured in the articles getting the cash in their pocket. It is however, the state agreeing to pay their legal fees associated with the legal situation they are involved. It is the lawyers who will get the money. Given Jeremy has had 2 Appeal hearings already and has a third in application their is no doubt his legal aid bills will be quite substantial. The associate legal costs will be paid, in part, by the state i.e. Contributions from Tax paying members of society.

If the amounts are deemed too much maybe it is the lawyers who should be looking at their legal charge rates per hour etc..

The articles are reporting some of the facts of life of our society whilst the specific words used re 'parole' hearings may be inaccurate.

I am sure the majority of posters on the forum will not have had such support from the state in terms of legal aid. However, if any of us were in Jeremy's position we would have been entitled to submit a claim for Legal Aid. I believe in the majority of criminal cases it is the Legal Aid system that pays the legal bills on behalf of the accused. It is a fact of our society that enveryone is entitled to a defence.

It is also a fact of our society that the victims of crime are not looked after with the same crude financial levels / sums of support from the state.

I am sure NGB will be able to confirm the above.
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