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Blueyonder

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« on: August 16, 2011, 12:46:PM »
Good afternoon,

I have been reading some of the info here for a week or so and thought I'd introduce myself. I am in the 'guilty' camp at the moment, and make no apologies for that. Having said that, I have followed this case for a long time, along with a few others, as I have a keen interest in MOJ's and the equity and effectiveness of the criminal justice system (in which I have worked for two decades). I retain an open mind and have read some of the threads here with a great deal of interest. However, some I find frankly fantasy, which is a shame, as they somewhat dilute the impact of the more sensible and potentially credible ones. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I may join in the discussions at some point but have to say that I will not engage in anything other than respectful debate. I am not into the acrimony that seems to follow this case around (which is very common with MOJ cases, so not getting at anyone in particular). I will not be 'smiting' etc. If I disagree/agree/whatever, and I am minded to communicate this, then I'll tell you! with my reasoning. If I'm not, then I wont. I have no personal connections with this case whatsoever, my motive merely as I described above.

Have a good day.

Offline OnceSaid

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 07:02:PM »
Hi Blueyonder and welcome to the forum.  I am quite confused regarding your wording here..... "I have been reading some of the info here for a week or so and thought I'd introduce myself. I am in the 'guilty' camp at the moment, and make no apologies for that. Having said that, I have followed this case for a long time, along with a few others, as I have a keen interest in MOJ's and the equity and effectiveness of the criminal justice system (in which I have worked for two decades). I retain an open mind and have read some of the threads here with a great deal of interest"....... I am curious as to how you came to the conclusion that JB is guilty just by following the case.  I wonder if its possible to have an openmind when one has come to the conclusion that he is guilty?  I tend to think that JB is innocent and the more I read, I am finding more information that supports his innocence rather than pointing towards his guilt.

I too have an interest in miscarriage of justice cases, of which there are far too many. :( Following progress over the years, is not enough to reach a guilty verdict in my opinion.  Researching individual cases is the only way to be honest and fair.  This can be very time consuming in each case, but if I come to the conclusion that I believe the person to be guilty in any way, I will not waste anymore time on the case.  I guess Im curious as to why anyone would put their time and efforts into a case when they believe the person is guilty and where they deserve to be, when there are so many innocent victims that desperately need help and support. 

Sorry for singling you out, but apart from a few trolls, you are the first person I have noticed on this forum that was honest/bold enough to state that JB is guilty.

Blueyonder

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 07:59:PM »
Hi OnceSaid and thankyou for your welcome. I said I was in the guilty camp, not because I assert that he is guilty - neither I or anyone else (except possibly for JB himself) actually knows that for a fact. I merely stated that 'I am in the guilty camp *at the moment*' because, with all I have read on the case thus far (not just here of course) I am not personally convinced that his conviction is unsafe - only the jury was entitled to make the finding of guilt, not me - or anyone else for that matter. I do follow other potential MOJs where I *do* personally think that convictions are or have been unsafe, and have supported accordingly. Therefore, I am fully aware that sometimes, our legal system stinks - the tragic case of Sally Clark is a case that highlights that. Just because I work in it doesn't mean I will always defend it.

I do have an open mind and, like everyone else, I would like to see the extent of the current appeal, as most of us are without knowledge of precisely what that contains. I am not going to go into my rationale re this case here, as I will be typing all bl**dy evening! I would prefer to join the forum threads on specific things if I may.

I have to say, that even if I could not be convinced by anyone to change my mind on this case, it remains unique (and therefore important), in that the length of time since conviction makes things far more difficult. A retrial is unlikely to work, so there is no second go at this. Thus, is an appeal court less likely to want to interfere with the conviction, lest they let a guilty murderer go free? does that make the success of such an appeal less likely? These are the sorts of questions that particularly interest me in this case - especially when you consider how long it takes to appeal. I guess you will find me more detached and objective than others, as I leave the personal feelings out. Even if I do think JB is where he needs to be, I also want confidence in the system that put him there.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 11:26:PM »
Thank you for your reply.  I will look forward to your further contributions to the forum.

Blueyonder

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 12:04:AM »
Oh yeah, and I am neither bold nor a troll (what precisely is a troll?!), just honest.  I also have some pressing stuff to deal with for the next 10 days or so, but will return with some questions.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 01:08:AM »
Oh yeah, and I am neither bold nor a troll (what precisely is a troll?!), just honest.  I also have some pressing stuff to deal with for the next 10 days or so, but will return with some questions.

Hope this helps.  :)

Answer: An Internet 'troll' is an abusive anti-social user who delights in causing disharmony and conflict online. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an Internet troll is someone who abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Because trolls like to promote fighting, they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.

The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls:

 1.Trolls enjoy using shock-value statements to get angry responses from others.
 2.Trolls gain energy by you insulting them.
 3.Trolls gain energy when you get angry.
 4.Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is.
 5.Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings.
 6.Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order.
7.Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy.
 8.Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility.
 9.The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online.
 

Where Do You Find Internet Trolls?

Ans: Internet trolls are sadly common. They can be found wherever online users interact with each other. Trolls will abuse others in news blogs, political discussion forums, hobbyist communities online, Facebook pages, torrent search engine conversations, and in online game chat. Trolls have become very common in news sites. Many online news sources now avoid using open comment features because so many Internet trolls will use this venue to post abusive comments as responses to news articles.

How Exactly Do Internet Trolls Abuse Others?

 Ans: Internet trolls seek to be disruptive and hurtful by using any of the following techniques: 1.Trolls will post abusive and hurtful comments directed at a specific person (aka "flaming" another person)
 2.Trolls will incite broad arguments and provoke angry responses by making controversial statements. (e.g. racism, religious intolerance, bigoted or elitist views, mysogyny, extreme political views)
 3.Trolls will narcissistically dominate conversations, trying to make themselves the center of attention. (e.g. nonstop comments about themselves and their accomplishments; repeated self-centered statements and bragging)
 4.Trolls will start many off-topic threads, seeking to derail users from the focus of an online community.
 

Why Do People Enjoy Being Internet Trolls?

Ans: it is a kind of power rush or ego trip to be a troll. Being online is a place that is largely free of perceived consequences... an insecure person can get a sense of power online, without ever having to face someone directly. With the Internet being a world of imagination and fantasy for some, cowardly users can forge an alter ego for themselves, and act out their feelings of anger and inadequacy. It's sad and unfortunate that our advanced communications also brings out the darker side of many people.

 


 


Offline grahameb

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2011, 09:44:AM »

Why Do People Enjoy Being Internet Trolls?


Ans: Because they have very small penises.
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Blueyonder

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2011, 11:11:AM »
Does that mean that one without a penis cannot be a troll?  ;)

I don't have a penis and when I read the definition posted, my first thought was a burning desire to be so lucky to have the spare time needed to be one, if it entails all that!

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 12:02:PM »
Does that mean that one without a penis cannot be a troll?  ;)

I don't have a penis and when I read the definition posted, my first thought was a burning desire to be so lucky to have the spare time needed to be one, if it entails all that!
No. they are really small mountain people in Norway with bushy hair and one foot

Offline Roch

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Re: Hi
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 01:59:PM »

Why Do People Enjoy Being Internet Trolls?


Ans: Because they have very small penises.

Try telling that to Starryian.

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2011, 03:04:PM »

Why Do People Enjoy Being Internet Trolls?


Ans: Because they have very small penises.

Try telling that to Starryian.

Rochy, you are a legend!!