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chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2011, 08:34:PM »


The following picture is of the Duke of Edinburgh playing Cricket in Tolleshunt D'Arcy in 1949.


Did Nevill play cricket?

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« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2011, 08:45:PM »
Innocent days at the Thursday Club

MILES KINGTON
The Independant


Tuesday, 16 January 1996

"I think I am probably one of the last surviving members of the old Thursday Club, the gang of cronies that the Duke of Edinburgh used to gather round him in the 1950s to have a bit of fun away from his serious life at Buckingham Palace.

The club was strictly all-male, but that does not mean there were not women at these gatherings. After all, as Arthur Koestler once said to me, "The extraordinary thing about men at all-male gatherings is that they talk about women non-stop, whereas at mixed functions the men talk only about male hobbies such as sport, politics and cars - never about women, even though there are many women present."

...On an average night of the Thursday Club there would be 10 or 15 members present. There would be Lord Louis Mountbatten, Arthur Koestler, Prince Philip, Cecil Beaton, and little Larry Adler playing his mouth organ in the corner, and maybe one or other of the Kray brothers. There would also be the ladies, whose names I remember as Flo, Loulou, Beryl, Gertie, Simone, Pat and one or two others. To begin with, I puzzled over their presence there.

"I had no intention," I said stiffly. But he was not listening to me.

"These girls are all great ladies in their own right," he said. "The Duchess of Northumberland, the Percy, the Lady Devonshire ..."

"These are their titles?" I said, amazed.

"No," he said. "They are the pubs they work at."

There was a chorus of coarse laughter from the gathered throng, but to my amazement Lord Louis Mountbatten burst into tears and started cradling his head on his arm.

"Nobody understands me," he said. "Nobody loves me any more. Especially in India."

"Oh, knock it off, Louis!" Philip would say. "OK, so you slaughtered a couple of million Indians during Partition. OK, so you made a mistake. But don't let it get you down! Don't spoil the party! And no pictures please, Cecil!"

This to Cecil Beaton, who had already got his little Brownie out.

"If you don't want photos, why do you ask me here?" said Cecil, looking aggrieved.

"We shall have photos when we are ready for the group photo," said Philip. "It is very important that these occasions should look innocent when the time comes."

"When what time comes?" I asked.

"When they write my life story," said Philip.

There was an explosion of laughter at this.

"Who on earth would want to write your life story?" said old John Betjeman, who dropped in to the Thursday Club occasionally. "You are no more interesting than a public statue. You have done nothing except marry the Queen. That is all you have done."

"It will be enough, one day," sighed Philip. "One day in the future biographers will peer into the Royal Family's history looking for dirt. They will say, did Prince Philip ever have a wild life? Are there dark secrets? And they will discover the existence of the Thursday Club!"

"But nothing exciting ever happens at the Thursday Club!" said Flo, pouting. "Nobody ever gets out of line! It is all as safe as houses. We have a drink and we put a Joe Loss record on, but it is all as boring as hell."

"That is the whole point," said Philip. "They will say that, and they will be right and they will not investigate further. This will be a cover- up for ..."
He looked at his watch. "I must be going now. I have a ... meeting. But if anyone rings tell them I am here."

With that he was gone.

I often wondered where he was off to. Back to the Palace, I expect."

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2011, 09:08:PM »
Oooh err missus!! ???

chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2011, 09:17:PM »


The following picture is of the Duke of Edinburgh playing Cricket in Tolleshunt D'Arcy in 1949.


Did Nevill play cricket?


If he did play cricket, he didn't play on this occasion. Here's a newspaper report of the match and those who did play. This is a copy of an old report, I hope you can read it.
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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2011, 09:24:PM »
No idea what that means, but D of E is mentioned in both teams!

chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #95 on: August 19, 2011, 09:31:PM »
No idea what that means, but D of E is mentioned in both teams!

I think the mention of the Duke of Edinburgh under the D'Arcy team is merely because the Duke was bowled out by one of the D'Arcy team.

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2011, 09:44:PM »
No idea what that means, but D of E is mentioned in both teams!

I think the mention of the Duke of Edinburgh under the D'Arcy team is merely because the Duke was bowled out by one of the D'Arcy team.

It's the opposite Keira - it seems the Duke bowled out the D'Arcy opening batsman.
He then took a catch to take out the other opener t'boot!

It would have been impressive had he not gone on to be bowled out himself for 1  :D

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2011, 09:57:PM »

I, for one, think that Sheila and Jeremy have too many roots reaching back
towards the Royal Family and it's staff, Clergy, etc, for it to be a coincidence that they
both have this connection!
What are the odds against BOTH of these adopted children having these connections?
How very odd indeed that the "Thursday Club" just happened to meet at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
Is it possible that the Bamber family, being landed, wealthy and childless, were a convenient dumping ground for
rich and influential people to dump two love children - yet close enough that their whereabouts
and progress could easily be checked up on?
Is there some reason why their entire biological parentage must never be made public?
Is that the reason Jeremy will never get a fair appeal hearing?

andrea

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2011, 10:06:PM »
good points summer

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2011, 10:13:PM »

I, for one, think that Sheila and Jeremy have too many roots reaching back
towards the Royal Family and it's staff, Clergy, etc, for it to be a coincidence that they
both have this connection!
What are the odds against BOTH of these adopted children having these connections?
How very odd indeed that the "Thursday Club" just happened to meet at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
Is it possible that the Bamber family, being landed, wealthy and childless, were a convenient dumping ground for
rich and influential people to dump two love children - yet close enough that their whereabouts
and progress could easily be checked up on?
Is there some reason why their entire biological parentage must never be made public?
Is that the reason Jeremy will never get a fair appeal hearing?




Bless you Summer.  That is what I've been wondering.

chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2011, 10:46:PM »

I, for one, think that Sheila and Jeremy have too many roots reaching back
towards the Royal Family and it's staff, Clergy, etc, for it to be a coincidence that they
both have this connection!
What are the odds against BOTH of these adopted children having these connections?
How very odd indeed that the "Thursday Club" just happened to meet at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
Is it possible that the Bamber family, being landed, wealthy and childless, were a convenient dumping ground for
rich and influential people to dump two love children - yet close enough that their whereabouts
and progress could easily be checked up on?
Is there some reason why their entire biological parentage must never be made public?
Is that the reason Jeremy will never get a fair appeal hearing?


The author Margery Allingham lived in Tolleshunt D'Arcy at that time, Summer, and her husband, Philip ('Pip') was a member of the Thursday Club.

I doubt if Margery would have been so happy about Pip's membership had she known how notorious the Thursday Club was to become.

"From 1935 until her death in 1966, Margery Allingham and her husband Philip Youngman Carter ("Pip") lived at D'Arcy House in the Essex village of Tolleshunt D'Arcy, near Maldon, where they enjoyed what Margery's sister Joyce described as "a life full of writing, art and village cricket". "

After the war, Pip's job meant that he and Margery divided their time between D'Arcy and London. But Margery always preferred D'Arcy.

One of the highlights of village life in the 1950s was the annual cricket match between the village and Pip's London club, the Thursday Club.

The club had been formed in 1946, and its members met weekly for lunch in a Soho oyster bar. Membership was limited to 25 people, and included well-known figures such as Peter Ustinov, Gilbert Harding and the Duke of Edinburgh.

The match was held in June, in a field which was part of the extensive grounds of D'Arcy House.

The team who played on 18 June 1949 included a distinguished visitor - the Duke of Edinburgh. Margery and Philip had promised not to reveal the Duke's identity until after the match had started. But one of the villagers spotted him at lunch and said to Margery, "Doesn't that gentleman look exactly like the Duke of Edinburgh?" With great presence of mind, Margery calmly replied, "Yes, exactly like him!"

Margery's sister Joyce took cine films of the cricket matches and other highlights of village life. She left these to the Univeristy of East Anglia's East Anglian Film Archive in her will. Part of one film shows Margery baking bread for the cricketers' lunch.



Apologies, I should have given an attribution with this. It's on this link to the Margery Allingham Society website:

http://www.margeryallingham.org.uk/darcy.htm
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chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2011, 10:56:PM »
D'Arcy House, Tolleshunt D'Arcy, where Margery Allingham and Pip lived and where Prince Philip and the Thursday Club were entertained.
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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2011, 10:58:PM »
Follow the road that runs past D'Arcy House for a 100 yards or so and turn left and you're on the Tollesbury Road and just a stone's throw from Page's Lane and WHF.

chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #103 on: August 19, 2011, 11:24:PM »
No idea what that means, but D of E is mentioned in both teams!

I think the mention of the Duke of Edinburgh under the D'Arcy team is merely because the Duke was bowled out by one of the D'Arcy team.

It's the opposite Keira - it seems the Duke bowled out the D'Arcy opening batsman.
He then took a catch to take out the other opener t'boot!

It would have been impressive had he not gone on to be bowled out himself for 1  :D

Thanks for that, Bob!

chochokeira

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Re: A tale of two Cuckoos?
« Reply #104 on: August 19, 2011, 11:40:PM »
Stephen Ward was an osteopath and artist who became notorious as one of the central figures in the 1963 Profumo affair, a British public scandal which profoundly affected the ruling Conservative Party government. Didn't Prime Minister Harold Macmillan resign over the affair?

Ward was the son of Arthur Evelyn Ward, Canon of Rochester Cathedral. He was educated at Highgate School in London. In 1920 the family moved to Torquay when Ward's father became Vicar of St. Matthias.

As a portrait artist, he had members of the Royal Family and politicians sit for him, including The Duke of Edinburgh, The Duke and Duchess of Kent and the Earl of Snowdon.

But Ward was basically a very upmarket pimp who introduced rich and famous men to young call girls. It was rumoured that Ward was the pimp of Ruth Ellis, the last woman to be hanged in the UK.

In 1961, Ward introduced the married British cabinet minister and MP John Profumo to a showgirl named Christine Keeler at a house party hosted at Lord Astor's country home, Cliveden, in the summer of 1961. Profumo's subsequent sexual relationship with Keeler and his false statement to the House of Commons regarding its nature led to Profumo's resignation.

Unknown to Profumo, Christine Keeler appeared also to be offering her services to Yevgeni Ivanov, a naval attaché at the embassy of the Soviet Union and Russian spy. Ward was co-operating with MI5 to entrap Ivanov, so Profumo's
affair quickly become known in establishment circles. Rumours about Profumo's relationship with Keeler became public in 1962.

Following the Profumo scandal, Ward was charged with living off the profits of prostitution ("immoral earnings"). Ward committed suicide by overdosing on sleeping tablets on the last day of the trial.

Ward was also a member of the notorious Thursday Club, a group of hard-drinking friends from top London society, including Prince Philip, the Marquess of Milford Haven and photographers Antony Beauchamp and Baron Nahum.[
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