A tale of two Cuckoos?

[andrea]

yes, wasnt jeremys dad a controller of stores at the palace?

[andrea]

sheila and jeremy were adopted through the church of england i think.

[Alias]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

I know a 49 year old man here in Denmark. He was born here, but his mother was from Wales, and his father too. They were very young when she got pregnant. They wanted to stay together and have the baby, but her snobbish family (her father a lawyer, her boyfriend had a working class background) forced her to go to Denmark to give birth and give the child up for adoption.
When this man I know was 29, he saw an ad in a Danish newspaper. A couple from England were looking for their son, born this and this day, this and this year, who had been given up for adoption.
He knew that had to be him, so he answered the ad. He found out that his biological parents had indeed gotten married, they had more kids, so he has younger siblings.
He still visits them quite often in Wales. Such a bittersweet story.
This must have been common in England back then, or what??

[HMEssex]

yes, wasnt jeremys dad a controller of stores at the palace?

This may not work:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,425.msg6637.html#msg6637

Otherwise its on  Re: Are JB's real parents the REAL parents March 02

He looks rather pleased with himself.

[chochokeira]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

Thanks for finding this, HM Essex and, no, these weren't ordinary adoptions, were they? +1

[HMEssex]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

I know a 49 year old man here in Denmark. He was born here, but his mother was from Wales, and his father too. They were very young when she got pregnant. They wanted to stay together and have the baby, but her snobbish family (her father a lawyer, her boyfriend had a working class background) forced her to go to Denmark to give birth and give the child up for adoption.
When this man I know was 29, he saw an ad in a Danish newspaper. A couple from England were looking for their son, born this and this day, this and this year, who had been given up for adoption.
He knew that had to be him, so he answered the ad. He found out that his biological parents had indeed gotten married, they had more kids, so he has younger siblings.
He still visits them quite often in Wales. Such a bittersweet story.
This must have been common in England back then, or what??

Most likely Abs, if they could afford to be sent abroad to escape the shame.  Depends what class people were.

I know two women who were brought up by grandparents thinking they were the parents and who found out years later that their 'sisters' was actually their mothers.  They were born in the '70s.

[chochokeira]

the only member of sheilas natural family to attend her funeral was her uncle peter jay, so her natural father must have known sheila existed, im assuming because of the jay name. Peter must have been his brother, obviously.

Wouldn't that have been Christine's brother (Sheila's mother), as her name was Jay?

Yes, was Christine's brother, Christine had one brother, Peter, and one sister.

[shonapugs]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

I know a 49 year old man here in Denmark. He was born here, but his mother was from Wales, and his father too. They were very young when she got pregnant. They wanted to stay together and have the baby, but her snobbish family (her father a lawyer, her boyfriend had a working class background) forced her to go to Denmark to give birth and give the child up for adoption.
When this man I know was 29, he saw an ad in a Danish newspaper. A couple from England were looking for their son, born this and this day, this and this year, who had been given up for adoption.
He knew that had to be him, so he answered the ad. He found out that his biological parents had indeed gotten married, they had more kids, so he has younger siblings.
He still visits them quite often in Wales. Such a bittersweet story.
This must have been common in England back then, or what??

Most likely Abs, if they could afford to be sent abroad to escape the shame.  Depends what class people were.

I know two women who were brought up by grandparents thinking they were the parents and who found out years later that their 'sisters' was actually their mothers.  They were born in the '70s.

That happened to me!! Until I was seven, I thought that my mother was my sister.

[chochokeira]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

I know a 49 year old man here in Denmark. He was born here, but his mother was from Wales, and his father too. They were very young when she got pregnant. They wanted to stay together and have the baby, but her snobbish family (her father a lawyer, her boyfriend had a working class background) forced her to go to Denmark to give birth and give the child up for adoption.
When this man I know was 29, he saw an ad in a Danish newspaper. A couple from England were looking for their son, born this and this day, this and this year, who had been given up for adoption.
He knew that had to be him, so he answered the ad. He found out that his biological parents had indeed gotten married, they had more kids, so he has younger siblings.
He still visits them quite often in Wales. Such a bittersweet story.
This must have been common in England back then, or what??

Most likely Abs, if they could afford to be sent abroad to escape the shame.  Depends what class people were.

I know two women who were brought up by grandparents thinking they were the parents and who found out years later that their 'sisters' was actually their mothers.  They were born in the '70s.

That happened to me!! Until I was seven, I thought that my mother was my sister.

Oh, poor you, Shon'. That must have been such a shock.

[HMEssex]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

Thanks for finding this, HM Essex and, no, these weren't ordinary adoptions, were they? +1

Thanks Keira.

This connection to such high echelons of society must have made the presence of these two unplanned babies most shameful and unwelcome indeed.

I wonder if the grandparents (I say this as I doubt the two young mothers had any say or perhaps were consoled by the fact) were able to vet prospective adoptive parents.  Maybe it's obvious that they did.

[shonapugs]

My Grandad, who I called Dad, used to collect me from school, in his overcoat and trilby (!) and the other kids would ask me why my dad was so old!! So I started asking questions. But I didn't find out the real truth until I was 28.

[Alias]

My Grandad, who I called Dad, used to collect me from school, in his overcoat and trilby (!) and the other kids would ask me why my dad was so old!! So I started asking questions. But I didn't find out the real truth until I was 28.

WOW - that must have been hard for you! When I was 21, I found out I have a half sister. My older sisters and my mother (and my father obviously - she was his!) knew, but they never told me. I was FURIOUS.
I know that is nothing compared, I can just imagine your confusion, because I reacted very strongly to what I found to be deception from my closest relatives!
Poor you, shona!

[chochokeira]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

Thanks for finding this, HM Essex and, no, these weren't ordinary adoptions, were they? +1

Thanks Keira.

This connection to such high echelons of society must have made the presence of these two unplanned babies most shameful and unwelcome indeed.

I wonder if the grandparents (I say this as I doubt the two young mothers had any say or perhaps were consoled by the fact) were able to vet prospective adoptive parents.  Maybe it's obvious that they did.

Yes, I would think so.

[HMEssex]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

I know a 49 year old man here in Denmark. He was born here, but his mother was from Wales, and his father too. They were very young when she got pregnant. They wanted to stay together and have the baby, but her snobbish family (her father a lawyer, her boyfriend had a working class background) forced her to go to Denmark to give birth and give the child up for adoption.
When this man I know was 29, he saw an ad in a Danish newspaper. A couple from England were looking for their son, born this and this day, this and this year, who had been given up for adoption.
He knew that had to be him, so he answered the ad. He found out that his biological parents had indeed gotten married, they had more kids, so he has younger siblings.
He still visits them quite often in Wales. Such a bittersweet story.
This must have been common in England back then, or what??

Most likely Abs, if they could afford to be sent abroad to escape the shame.  Depends what class people were.

I know two women who were brought up by grandparents thinking they were the parents and who found out years later that their 'sisters' was actually their mothers.  They were born in the '70s.

That happened to me!! Until I was seven, I thought that my mother was my sister.

Oh no Shona!

One of these women I mentioned is a distant relative and she only found out at her 'mother's' funeral when she was an adult.  As far as I know, she hasn't spoken to anyone since as she was so shocked!

[shonapugs]

My Grandad, who I called Dad, used to collect me from school, in his overcoat and trilby (!) and the other kids would ask me why my dad was so old!! So I started asking questions. But I didn't find out the real truth until I was 28.

WOW - that must have been hard for you! When I was 21, I found out I have a half sister. My older sisters and my mother (and my father obviously - she was his!) knew, but they never told me. I was FURIOUS.
I know that is nothing compared, I can just imagine your confusion, because I reacted very strongly to what I found to be deception from my closest relatives!
Poor you, shona!

I discovered that I have a half sister, 18 months older than me and called Helen. I've never had the courage to find her.