A tale of two Cuckoos?

[mike tesko]

Jeremy Bamber and Betty Howie had something in common, something which had been troubling the Boutflour and Eaton clans for years - it bothered them to a considerable degree that three outsiders stood to become beneficiaries in various estates, of `Gran` Speakman, and June Bambers, in particular...

Betty Howie, Sheila Caffell and Jeremy Bamber were all secretly referred to as the cuckoos, not proper family...

With Sheila dead and taken out of the equation, it only left two cuckoos for the relatives to direct malice a forethought toward, Jeremy and Betty - neither of whom would benefit significantly or at all, from the deaths of Mabel Speakman, Ralph and June Bamber

[mike tesko]

Parentage?

Who were the biological parents of (1) Sheila, (2) Jeremy, and (3) Betty Howie?

[Roch]

Jeremy Bamber and Betty Howie had something in common, something which had been troubling the Boutflour and Eaton clans for years - it bothered them to a considerable degree that three outsiders stood to become beneficiaries in various estates, of `Gran` Speakman, and June Bambers, in particular...

Betty Howie, Sheila Caffell and Jeremy Bamber were all secretly referred to as the cuckoos, not proper family...

Mike what kind of sources are available to support the above?  I mean if they were secretly referred to as such, how do you or the defence know about it?  If this did turn out to be true, it might indicate rifts and power politics within the families.  The relatives are already being openly questioned on here about the U shaped scratch on the forward mantlepiece and I agree that such questions should be asked of them.  But to suggest that the same relatives held malice aforethought towards Sheila, who was grievously taken from them in this tragedy, I think I'd want to see some evidence of that theory.

[H]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

[grahameb]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

Howie? clan? are they Scottish?

[H]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

Howie? clan? are they Scottish?

No, just a figure of speech.

They own Wicks manor: http://www.wicksmanor.com/theteam.cfm

[H]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

Howie? clan? are they Scottish?

Actually they may be, or their relatives going back in time were. Unless Hamish is a good old fashioned Essex name that I was unaware of? 

[chochokeira]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

Howie? clan? are they Scottish?

Actually they may be, or their relatives going back in time were. Unless Hamish is a good old fashioned Essex name that I was unaware of? 

The Blackwater estuary villages have had a contingent of families of Scottish derivation for centuries. Some of them are the descendants of Scots farmers or crofters who moved to the district after buying cheap land on Tiptree Heath. Some are refugees from the Scottish clearances. Others are the descendants of impoverished farm workers who moved with their 'masters' to Essex. So, yes, Hamish is a good old Essex name.

It was by the same process that PM Harold Macmillan's (great?) grandfather moved from a croft in the highlands to a seedy bedsit in the city during the mid 19th century.

[OnceSaid]

So would I.

Edit: Plus aren't the Howie family an extremely wealthy clan in their own right?

Howie? clan? are they Scottish?

Actually they may be, or their relatives going back in time were. Unless Hamish is a good old fashioned Essex name that I was unaware of? 

Good old Scottish names 

Hamish  He Who Removes  male  Celtic/Gaelic 
Hamish  James - in Gaelic, Seumas, Seanius  male  Scottish 
Hamish  Variant of James: Supplant. Replace. Variant of Jacob Derived from the Latin Jacomus  male  English 


Fergus   A Valor or Strength; a Typical Scottish Name Which is the Anglicized Form of the Gaelic Fearghas, a Compound Name Composed of the Elements Fear (Man) and Ghas (Valor, Strength).  Male  Scottish

Recorded as Howie and Howey, this famous Scottish name is locational. It derives from an estate known a "The lands of How" in the county of Ayrshire, although the precise location is now lost. The name therefore is a member of the ever growing list of surnames of the British Isles that originate from lost medieval sites. It is claimed that the origin is from the Ancient British-Strathclyde 'hoh', a word which pre-dates written history, and describes a hollow or deep valley, from which also developed the surname How or Howe. The name as Howie or Howey is probably a diminutive meaning Little How, the suffix 'ie' or 'y' being a popular Scottish and North of England endearment. 

[grahameb]

I've been around here since about 1965 and I don't recognise any of those people. Athough John looks familiar? Perhaps he worked somewhere else before he worked there? He looks like a transport manager I used to do work for. But I can't place the others?
Do you think the Howies are distant relations do you Keira?

[HMEssex]

So who is Betty Howie?  I'm completely lost with this...

[OnceSaid]

So who is Betty Howie?  I'm completely lost with this...

She, (BH) is the one that called AE.  Apart from that I have no idea who or what she is. 

(Page 7 of AE's 1991 statement).

"It started with a phone call from Betty HOWIE who told me of what she thought had happened at White House Farm.  It came as an utter shock.  Apart from her telling me that there had been a multiple tradegy she told me that Sheila had been staying at the farm which I had not known.

I had to check what she said before telling dad (R.W.Boutflour).

[chochokeira]

Hi Grahame, I wonder if Betty Howie was born Betty Bunting, if she was descended from a long line of Jehus/Joyces Farm Buntings in the Goldhanger/Tolleshunt district, and if she became a Howie when she married Thomas L Howie.

[HMEssex]

So who is Betty Howie?  I'm completely lost with this...

She, (BH) is the one that called AE.  Apart from that I have no idea who or what she is. 

(Page 7 of AE's 1991 statement).

"It started with a phone call from Betty HOWIE who told me of what she thought had happened at White House Farm.  It came as an utter shock.  Apart from her telling me that there had been a multiple tradegy she told me that Sheila had been staying at the farm which I had not known.

I had to check what she said before telling dad (R.W.Boutflour).

Thank you, OnceSaid.

Slap on the wrist for me for not reading everything properly 

[grahameb]

Hi Grahame, I wonder if Betty Howie was born Betty Bunting, if she was descended from a long line of Jehus/Joyces Farm Buntings in the Goldhanger/Tolleshunt district, and if she became a Howie when she married Thomas L Howie.

A lot of essex families go back centuries. Sometimes very difficult to entangle. I read somewhere that most of us can trace our ancestors back to Gengis Khan?