The New Silencer Evidence...

[Cambridgecutie]

It was not actually rejected in 2012.  The CCRC response, based upon the reports of the experts, was that further tests were needed.  The CCRC refused additional time for this and then issued their final SOR.

Oh yes thank you for reminding me I remember now but wasn't this in connection with the so-called burn marks to NB?  Am I right in saying the bullet marks to SC in terms of abrasion rings and powder tattooing were rejected by the CCRC and then the subject of judicial review and the judges upheld based primarily on the blood?  The doc was available online but I can no longer find it. 

[Cambridgecutie]

This is not a ground with the CCRC - or not as far as we know. It seems to be a product of the Guardian commissioning
Professor Jason Payne-James since the CCRC application was made.

What we do know is that one of the grounds still being considered is that Sheila was shot from a distance so could not have done it herself.

What sort of distance?  Bearing in mind the room sizes!  This will probably be a lot of nonsense about the police shooting SC. 

[Cambridgecutie]

This is not a ground with the CCRC - or not as far as we know. It seems to be a product of the Guardian commissioning
Professor Jason Payne-James since the CCRC application was made.

What we do know is that one of the grounds still being considered is that Sheila was shot from a distance so could not have done it herself.

But doesn't this contradict the 'new silencer evidence' commissioned by the Guardian? 

[ILB]

The silencer evidence was not challenged at all at trial.

Possibly explored it pre trial I would suspect.

[Jonathan]

What sort of distance?  Bearing in mind the room sizes!  This will probably be a lot of nonsense about the police shooting SC.

Tying in with other grounds associated with conduct of the police.

[Cambridgecutie]

Tying in with other grounds associated with conduct of the police.

But its surely a bit of an own goal isn't it?  The work commissioned by the Guardian relies upon contact gunshot wounds.  How can they be both contact and distant? 

[Jonathan]

But its surely a bit of an own goal isn't it?  The work commissioned by the Guardian relies upon contact gunshot wounds.  How can they be both contact and distant?

This could not have been foreseen when the CCRC application went in (2021). But now it exists they have to go with it - if only for TV and the newspapers. Maybe it will be the next application to the Commission.

[Rob_]

What sort of distance?  Bearing in mind the room sizes!  This will probably be a lot of nonsense about the police shooting SC.

I assumed they were saying greater than 20-30mm Cc? as anything longer than this blood in the silencer from back spatter becomes extremely unlikely.

So in effect they are trying to say the silencer evidence was fabricated ? 

I don't think they were trying to say Sheila was shot from across the room that would be daft but who knows!

[Adam]

I assumed they were saying greater than 20-30mm Cc? as anything longer than this blood in the silencer from back spatter becomes extremely unlikely.

So in effect they are trying to say the silencer evidence was fabricated ? 

I don't think they were trying to say Sheila was shot from across the room that would be daft but who knows!

The recent doc was suggesting Sheila recieved contact shots minus silencer.

But no harm in simultaneously saying Sheila did not receive contact shots.

Cover all bases.

[David1819]

The silencer evidence was not challenged at all at trial.

Jeremy knew he had used a silencer so no point asking his defence to challenge the blood evidence.

He started challenging it from the mid 90's onwards.

In Rivlin's pre trial conference notes. Its stated that JB postulated to them (Rivlin/Terzeon ect) that the silencer was fabricated contaminated by Ann Eaton.

[Steve_uk]

In Rivlin's pre trial conference notes. Its stated that JB postulated to them (Rivlin/Terzeon ect) that the silencer was fabricated contaminated by Ann Eaton.

..and Jeremy would know, one way or the other.

[BarefootDanC]

In Rivlin's pre trial conference notes. Its stated that JB postulated to them (Rivlin/Terzeon ect) that the silencer was fabricated contaminated by Ann Eaton.

Barristers have the knack for knowing what a jury of ordinary is likely to believe. Many theories which Bamber supporters are prepared to entertain are unlikely to be believe by ordinary people.