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How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« on: March 27, 2026, 12:44:PM »
This is something CC has always said. But has never said how.

She has also been very vague about the mysterious bare footed conversation in the kitchen. Which resulted in Sheila going upstairs with a loaded rifle & Nevill ringing Jeremy at 3.10am before going upstairs totally unprotected. Even the defence did not suggest this happened.

The COA says Nevill was shot 4 times in the bedroom. Maybe CC has some new evidence which can be submitted to the CCRC. Which was not the case with her nightdress and bible claims. 
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2026, 12:12:PM »
This is something CC has always said. But has never said how.

She has also been very vague about the mysterious bare footed conversation in the kitchen. Which resulted in Sheila going upstairs with a loaded rifle & Nevill ringing Jeremy at 3.10am before going upstairs totally unprotected. Even the defence did not suggest this happened.

The COA says Nevill was shot 4 times in the bedroom. Maybe CC has some new evidence which can be submitted to the CCRC. Which was not the case with her nightdress and bible claims.

No one needs to produce a reconstruction in micro detail, akin to watching cctv footage, to meet the criteria for a successful appeal point.

It will be sufficient to provide evidence by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks to show NB sustained his upstairs gunshot wounds on the landing stairs and main staircase and not in the bedroom as MF claimed at trial and the defence allowed to go unchallenged.  This is not as important as demolishing the so-called silencer evidence but it is very important as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB.  NB coming up the stairs and SC already in the bedroom tells a very different story to the one told at trial and if produced in some sort of visual has the potential to be easily understood by others who might otherwise struggle with written concepts alone. 
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2026, 01:26:PM »
No one needs to produce a reconstruction in micro detail, akin to watching cctv footage, to meet the criteria for a successful appeal point.

It will be sufficient to provide evidence by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks to show NB sustained his upstairs gunshot wounds on the landing stairs and main staircase and not in the bedroom as MF claimed at trial and the defence allowed to go unchallenged.  This is not as important as demolishing the so-called silencer evidence but it is very important as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB.  NB coming up the stairs and SC already in the bedroom tells a very different story to the one told at trial and if produced in some sort of visual has the potential to be easily understood by others who might otherwise struggle with written concepts alone.

What new evidence shows Nevill was shot on the stairs?

Final request.
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2026, 04:07:PM »
No one needs to produce a reconstruction in micro detail, akin to watching cctv footage, to meet the criteria for a successful appeal point.

It will be sufficient to provide evidence by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks to show NB sustained his upstairs gunshot wounds on the landing stairs and main staircase and not in the bedroom as MF claimed at trial and the defence allowed to go unchallenged.  This is not as important as demolishing the so-called silencer evidence but it is very important as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB.  NB coming up the stairs and SC already in the bedroom tells a very different story to the one told at trial and if produced in some sort of visual has the potential to be easily understood by others who might otherwise struggle with written concepts alone.
How do you know this?

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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2026, 04:27:PM »
I'm not convinced by CambridgeCutie's SOC analysis. Seems vague and lacking detail.

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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2026, 06:02:PM »
It seems that CC believes she just has to submit her theories to the CCRC. Then expects the CCRC to find the evidence to support them.

Applications to the CCRC has to be new evidence which was not presented at trial. Even Jeremy managed that with DNA. 
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2026, 08:17:PM »
It seems that CC believes she just has to submit her theories to the CCRC. Then expects the CCRC to find the evidence to support them.

Applications to the CCRC has to be new evidence which was not presented at trial. Even Jeremy managed that with DNA.

CC has more detailed knowledge of this case than you will ever have Adam.  She has researched it in detail and has drilled down to fine detail on aspects of the forensic science aspects.  You do not have to agree with everything she says but you should show more respect.

 
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2026, 09:26:PM »
CC has more detailed knowledge of this case than you will ever have Adam.  She has researched it in detail and has drilled down to fine detail on aspects of the foresic science asapects.  You do not have to agree with everything she says but you should show more respect.
But she doesn't answer questions when put to her. She got it wrong on the nightdress gunshot residue. One doesn't have to accept her as the font of all knowledge.
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2026, 11:17:PM »
CC has more detailed knowledge of this case than you will ever have Adam.  She has researched it in detail and has drilled down to fine detail on aspects of the foresic science asapects.  You do not have to agree with everything she says but you should show more respect.

Disagree with that. The forum just wants to know what compelling new evidence she has for what she believes should be in a CCRC referral.

No new evidence has been supplied on the nightdress, bible or SOC.

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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2026, 12:06:PM »
What new evidence shows Nevill was shot on the stairs?

Final request.

The totality of the physical evidence as per soc which needs presenting as a whole.
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2026, 12:09:PM »
How do you know this?

Because it is what the totality of the physical evidence supports.
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2026, 12:13:PM »
I'm not convinced by CambridgeCutie's SOC analysis. Seems vague and lacking detail.

Cutie is with a small 'c' so you are hardly in a position to talk about detail!
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2026, 12:18:PM »
It seems that CC believes she just has to submit her theories to the CCRC. Then expects the CCRC to find the evidence to support them.

Applications to the CCRC has to be new evidence which was not presented at trial. Even Jeremy managed that with DNA.

If JB wants the CCRC to take submissions seriously I can think of very little that could be submitted that does not require robust forensic tests/reports from appropriately qualified people?
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2026, 12:18:PM »
CC has more detailed knowledge of this case than you will ever have Adam.  She has researched it in detail and has drilled down to fine detail on aspects of the foresic science asapects.  You do not have to agree with everything she says but you should show more respect.

Thank you.  I do try!
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Re: How does the SOC show Nevill was shot on the stairs?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2026, 12:22:PM »
But she doesn't answer questions when put to her. She got it wrong on the nightdress gunshot residue. One doesn't have to accept her as the font of all knowledge.

Not true Steve.  You are unable/unwilling to take on board the forensics and prefer to rely on what the lay witnesses said.

What did I get wrong about the nightdress and gunshot residue?
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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