US-Israel Attacks Iran

[David1819]

   My assessment stands. F35's aren't flying freely over Iran, they are skirting the borders at best and using stand off munitions.

Right. So while F-15s (from the 1980s) are flying hundreds of miles deep in Iran (undeniable since one got shot down) and Black Hawk helicopters make it back with the pilots. The latest F-35s and F-22s are cowering along the borders because of Iran's S-300 systems. The same S-300 system Maduro had in place while they just cruised in and kidnapped him.

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[David1819]

Right. So while F-15s (from the 1980s) are flying hundreds of miles deep in Iran (undeniable since one got shot down) and Black Hawk helicopters make it back with the pilots. The latest F-35s and F-22s are cowering along the borders because of Iran's S-300 systems. The same S-300 system Maduro had in place while they just cruised in and kidnapped him.

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Its also worth pointing out that Iran have shot down an A-10 Warthog. This plane is a subsonic ground attack aircraft with virtually no defence against SAM and enemy aircraft. Its only deployed after air dominance has been established.

[gringo]

"The dilemma for you is, If the Iranian Red Crescents bullshit about the US doing all of this (while losing only one F-15 in the process) what does that make of your assessment below?" - David

   The US haven't lost "only one F15 in the process" though, have they David? Below a list of US aviation losses during their ill advised "3 day operation". These losses have occurred whilst using stand off munitions, not flying freely over Iranian airspace which they are still unable to do. These losses are according to US Centcom.

     MQ-9 Reaper Drones      - 24
     KC-135 Stratotanker      - 8 (2 lost, 6 damaged)
     E3 Sentry (AWACS)       - 2 (1 lost, 1 damaged)
     K-46 Pegasus (refueller)- 1
     F15E Strike Eagle          - 4
     F35 Lightning               - 1 (damaged)
     Lockheed MC-130         - 2
     MQ-4C Triton               - 1
     A-10 Warthog              - 1
     Chinooks CH-47          - 2
     MH-6 Little Bird          - 4
     Sikorsky CH-53          - 1
     Sikorsky HH-60          - 1
     Sikorsky Black Hawk  - 2

    A total of 54 airframes lost/damaged according to US Centcom. The one F15 loss that you acknowledge led to the further loss of a number of airframes after the rescue attempt/attempted uranium grab debacle. Those losses occurred whilst the US has been making stand off raids. One F15 lost!
    Bases destroyed, carriers miles away, 54 airframes down and nothing achieved. Or as you call it, only one F15 lost

[Adam]

Trump wants to extend the cease fire so negotiations can continue. Although looks like neither party is attending the latest date. But I thought they were negotiating or already had a deal pre Feb 28th.

Trump said the attack was because Iran were about to bomb America for some reason. But I thought he had obliterated Irans nuclear plant with a couple of bombs months earlier.

But at least Trump has achieved regime change - the supreme leader being replaced by his son!

But at least Trump has destroyed Iran's planes & ships. But why? So why are Iran's ships blocking the Strait of Hormuz?

But at least Trump said The Strait of Hormuz is open. Until Iran said it wasn't a few hours later.

But at least Trump is going to persuade Iran to give up there uranium. After America & Israel made an unprovoked attacked.

Thank you Donald.

[David1819]

"The dilemma for you is, If the Iranian Red Crescents bullshit about the US doing all of this (while losing only one F-15 in the process) what does that make of your assessment below?" - David

   The US haven't lost "only one F15 in the process" though, have they David? Below a list of US aviation losses during their ill advised "3 day operation". These losses have occurred whilst using stand off munitions, not flying freely over Iranian airspace which they are still unable to do. These losses are according to US Centcom.

     MQ-9 Reaper Drones      - 24
     KC-135 Stratotanker      - 8 (2 lost, 6 damaged)
     E3 Sentry (AWACS)       - 2 (1 lost, 1 damaged)
     K-46 Pegasus (refueller)- 1
     F15E Strike Eagle          - 4
     F35 Lightning               - 1 (damaged)
     Lockheed MC-130         - 2
     MQ-4C Triton               - 1
     A-10 Warthog              - 1
     Chinooks CH-47          - 2
     MH-6 Little Bird          - 4
     Sikorsky CH-53          - 1
     Sikorsky HH-60          - 1
     Sikorsky Black Hawk  - 2

    A total of 54 airframes lost/damaged according to US Centcom. The one F15 loss that you acknowledge led to the further loss of a number of airframes after the rescue attempt/attempted uranium grab debacle. Those losses occurred whilst the US has been making stand off raids. One F15 lost!
    Bases destroyed, carriers miles away, 54 airframes down and nothing achieved. Or as you call it, only one F15 lost

I was referring to attack and fighter aircraft that are directly involved    So yes, Iran have one F-15 and one A10 on their tally.


Total US Military Aircraft (All Types): Over 13,000 airframes across all service branches. Only 53 destroyed or damaged in two months? That's air superiority .

In 1943 USAF B-17 crews sent over Germany had a 75% chance of being killed or captured, with an average life expectancy of only 11 missions. The USAAF lost more than 8,000 heavy bombers in Europe. That is what you call not flying freely over enemy airspace.

[David1819]

Trump wants to extend the cease fire so negotiations can continue. Although looks like neither party is attending the latest sate. But I thought they were negotiating or already had a deal pre Feb 28th.

Trump said the attack was because Iran were about to bomb America for some reason. But I thought he had obliterated Irans nuclear plant with a couple of bombs months earlier.

But at least Trump has achieved regime change - the supreme leader being replaced by his son!

But at least Trump has destroyed Iran's planes & ships. But why? So why are Iran's ships blocking the Strait of Hormuz?

But at least Trump said The Strait of Hormuz is open. Until Iran said it wasn't a few hours later.

But at least Trump is going to persuade Iran to give up there uranium. After America & Israel made an unprovoked attacked.

Thank you Donald.

Trump saw what Putin did and decided he had to do something like that also. Like a kid in a playground seeing another kid get away with doing something they shouldn't.

"Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday described Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and “savvy,” praising his onetime counterpart for a move that has spurred sanctions and universal condemnation from the U.S. government and its trans-Atlantic allies.
“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’"

Call it a military operation and make up claims you are about to be attacked. Though Trump has omitted the word "Special" from military operation on his Truth social.

[Adam]

Trump saw what Putin did and decided he had to do something like that also. Like a kid in a playground seeing another kid get away with doing something they shouldn't.

"Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday described Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and “savvy,” praising his onetime counterpart for a move that has spurred sanctions and universal condemnation from the U.S. government and its trans-Atlantic allies.
“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’"

Call it a military operation and make up claims you are about to be attacked. Though Trump has omitted the word "Special" from military operation on his Truth social.

Benjamin will be chuffed.

[David1819]

Gringo, you will possibly cream your pants over this.   


https://youtu.be/7rCej2L248A?si=-HsFolshD6F8Aa4U&t=16

Thank me later.

[Steve_uk]

Trump wants to extend the cease fire so negotiations can continue. Although looks like neither party is attending the latest date. But I thought they were negotiating or already had a deal pre Feb 28th.

Trump said the attack was because Iran were about to bomb America for some reason. But I thought he had obliterated Irans nuclear plant with a couple of bombs months earlier.

But at least Trump has achieved regime change - the supreme leader being replaced by his son!

But at least Trump has destroyed Iran's planes & ships. But why? So why are Iran's ships blocking the Strait of Hormuz?

But at least Trump said The Strait of Hormuz is open. Until Iran said it wasn't a few hours later.

But at least Trump is going to persuade Iran to give up there uranium. After America & Israel made an unprovoked attacked.

Thank you Donald.

They haven't destroyed all the enriched uranium. Iran has dispersed it and concealed it across its country the size of Alaska.  https://youtu.be/wNLXXwg7mjo

[gringo]

I was referring to attack and fighter aircraft that are directly involved    So yes, Iran have one F-15 and one A10 on their tally.


Total US Military Aircraft (All Types): Over 13,000 airframes across all service branches. Only 53 destroyed or damaged in two months? That's air superiority .

In 1943 USAF B-17 crews sent over Germany had a 75% chance of being killed or captured, with an average life expectancy of only 11 missions. The USAAF lost more than 8,000 heavy bombers in Europe. That is what you call not flying freely over enemy airspace.

   Only attack and fighter aircraft? Still more than 2.
    US Centcom admit to many more than this, David. Read the list from US Centcom. Additionally they have lost all of their airbases in Iraq and many others in the region including Al Udeid damaged/destroyed/evacuated. Their refuelling fleet and planes have been pushed much further back and their carriers daren't come within a few hundred kilometres of Iran's coast. We know that a F15 ventured in, got shot down and then those losses were compounded on whatever the shitshow of an operation the so called rescue was. The two MC-130's, several helicopters admitted by US. And they haven't been back since, funny that don't you think, David. The A10 that you belatedly admit to but with the caveat that, "it is only deployed after full air dominance has been established". Where in Iran was this A10 deployed, David? It was hit "near the strait of Hormuz" and managed to get into Kuwait where it crashed after the pilot bailed. It wasn't flying over Iran, "after full air dominance had been established". Trump's raging but empty threats are testament to this. The actual circumstances of the A10 shoot down do not suggest the air dominance that you are claiming, in fact it demonstrates the opposite.
    Iran are humiliating the US, David. The international standing of the US is in freefall and won't recover. Their bases in the Middle East are unlikely to be rebuilt because they have proved worthless. The US cannot protect its own bases, never mind the countries hosting them. The US clearly are incapable of offering the protection they claim to their Arab satraps. The fifth fleet base in Bahrain has also proven to be as useful as the US airbases in offering protection to their "hosts".
    Your pathetic attempts to claim US air superiority and supposed victories against Iran fly in the face of publicly available facts.

[Steve_uk]

Gringo, you will possibly cream your pants over this.   


https://youtu.be/7rCej2L248A?si=-HsFolshD6F8Aa4U&t=16

Thank me later.

I hadn't expected vulgarity from such a source.

[David1819]

The A10 that you belatedly admit to but with the caveat that, "it is only deployed after full air dominance has been established". Where in Iran was this A10 deployed, David? It was hit "near the strait of Hormuz" and managed to get into Kuwait where it crashed after the pilot bailed. It wasn't flying over Iran,

The A-10 was used in the search and rescue of the two F-15 pilots. Ironically I first heard about it from a source you provided claiming the rescue was a "disaster".

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-a10-warthogs-flew-iran-rescue-2026-4

[gringo]

The A-10 was used in the search and rescue of the two F-15 pilots. Ironically I first heard about it from a source you provided claiming the rescue was a "disaster".

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-a10-warthogs-flew-iran-rescue-2026-4

   Ridiculous fairy tales aside, where was it shot down? No amount of Centcom or Pentagon spin hides the fact that the "rescue operation" was a disaster.

[David1819]

   Ridiculous fairy tales aside, where was it shot down? No amount of Centcom or Pentagon spin hides the fact that the "rescue operation" was a disaster.

Both pilots rescued with zero fatalities. Disaster for Iran indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd4Ym3aOklU

[gringo]

Both pilots rescued with zero fatalities. Disaster for Iran indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd4Ym3aOklU

   It was shot down "near Hormuz", according to US Centcom and crash landed in Kuwait. It probably wasn't even skirting Iranian airspace, it certainly wasn't any significant distance inside Iranian airspace. A claim of zero fatalities from the US should be treated with scepticism. During Trump's first term Iran struck two US airbases (Erbil and Al Asad if memory serves) in Iraq. This was in response to the assassination of Gen. Soleimani. At the time Trump raged that if a single US service member was harmed in the promised Iranian response that he would unleash hell on Iran. The attack came and the US claimed zero injuries. Over the following days and weeks this number crept up from an initial handful, through a few dozen and eventually the US admitted over 100 injured/wounded. Iran did harm US service personnel, US denied it then gradually bit by bit admitted to over 100 injuries. Hell wasn't unleashed.
     But yeah, David, zero fatalities.