Talking of 'police framing'...

[Cambridgecutie]

Restivo had something wrong with his throat, Cutie! Remember Jodi had a throat injury too!

I'm not seeing the connection at all.  Does he have any known links with Scotland or even the North? 

[snow66!]

I'm not seeing the connection at all.  Does he have any known links with Scotland or even the North?

No, but he could have flown up to Edinburgh for a bit of skullduggery and then scarpered again!

[Bubo bubo]

But Restivo does not appear to have any known connections with Scotland?

From memory he went to Scotland about this time with his girlfriend/wife who had relatives in I think Edinburgh. Part of the large Italian diaspora in Scotland

[Bubo bubo]

I've no doubt they are indeed horrific but does he have any known links to Scotland?  If not its a tenuous, at best, link about the hair.  Restivo cut hair and JJ's hair was pulled out.

Yes and no. Some was pulled out but in extensive communications with SL she confirmed she had cut hair in her hand but the SOC remained uncovered and was exposed to overnight rain which damaged the hair cluster. In any case DR would place hair from another victim in a subsequent attack

[Bubo bubo]

Yes and no. Some was pulled out but in extensive communications with SL she confirmed she had cut hair in her hand but the SOC remained uncovered and was exposed to overnight rain which damaged the hair cluster. In any case DR would place hair from another victim in a subsequent attack

The bit of film of the cyclist is a new find or I missed it ages ago. Are they trying to put him back in the frame.

[Bubo bubo]

Bubo will explain, Cutie!
If you read about Restivo's murders, they are indeed horrific!

I have looked into this case some time ago when studying the LM case. Dorset police were in a jam around this time. They were dealing with a much 'darker' crime. The murder of Heather Barnett. They ruled our DR and did not have a suspect for either case.

Did they frame him??? If it was not DR who is the perpetrator.

I believe  the modus operandi for this case does not match that of HB but the killing of JJ is a much closer fit. DR was a suspect for a short period but was dismissed. I also believe the defence also pointed the finger at DR at one time.

I have studied DR in detail particularly the murder of Heather Barnet. There is good information on the HB case in the local papers which covered the case up to conviction. There is also a very large entry on Wikipedia about DR.
 
Dorset police were watching him and had him under surveillance but due to costs and the holiday influx of tourists to the area withdrew resources. There is a 71- day period when DR's whereabouts were unknown. During that time a girl went missing in Italy (2003 Easter day Erica Ansermin) and JJ was murdered (30/06/2003).

He may IMO also be responsible for the killing a Swedish girl Annie Borjesson in 2005. He was not caught/charged until 2010.

BBC coverage: A four part BBC series Body on the Beach What happened to Annie? was made by a journalist Hazel Martin.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11849.msg555944.html#msg555944

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12053.msg556008.html#msg556008

[Bubo bubo]

No, but he could have flown up to Edinburgh for a bit of skullduggery and then scarpered again!

This is true. There are several ways he could have done this. Holiday to visit friends etc. He was a serious person of interest in the months following the HB murder (November 2002) and he might of felt the heat was on. He could have planned to commit a similar murder in a small community near Edinburgh which he thought might/perhaps/maybe draw attention away from him. Why did the Scottish police not look to see if there were any similar killings in the UK given the nature of JJ's killing. After all it was only about seven months since the HB case which was big news in England.

I should point out that the victim Jong-Ok Shin was murdered in July 2002 which was before the HB murder.

[Cambridgecutie]

No, but he could have flown up to Edinburgh for a bit of skullduggery and then scarpered again!

I assume the above is in jest?

[Cambridgecutie]

From memory he went to Scotland about this time with his girlfriend/wife who had relatives in I think Edinburgh. Part of the large Italian diaspora in Scotland

I absolutely should not be indulging you. 

Evidence he was in Scotland about the time JJ was murdered? 

JJ was murdered in Dalkeith.  What connections did he have with this area?

[Cambridgecutie]

Bubo bubo and snow!!66

Please tell me you are not part of JB's CT posting under pseudonyms?

[Bubo bubo]

Bubo bubo and snow!!66

Please tell me you are not part of JB's CT posting under pseudonyms?

I will leave that to you

[Bubo bubo]

I absolutely should not be indulging you. 

Evidence he was in Scotland about the time JJ was murdered? 

JJ was murdered in Dalkeith.  What connections did he have with this area?

This guy travelled around. Did you read this.

Restivo's conviction yesterday for Heather Barnett's murder brings to a close an extraordinary story, but many mysteries remain. Some observers are convinced that a compulsive, psychotic killer such as Restivo must have commited more murders between 1993 and 2002. Over the years he has been linked to many other deaths, particularly to a series of brutal murders in southern France and Spain. In September 1997 a young French-Algerian woman from Perpignan, Moktharia Chaib, was stabbed and her breasts, as well as other body parts, removed. Marie Hélène Gonzalez had, in 1998, been brutally mutilated, having disappeared in Perpignan. In 1999, in Puerto de Alcuida, Majorca, a British woman called Yvonne O'Brien was stabbed 40 times and one of her breasts was removed. On Easter Day 2003 a South Korean woman adopted by an Italian family, Erika Ansermin, disappeared. Her body has never been found but a photograph of her, downloaded from an Italian news channel, was found on Restivo's computer.

[snow66!]

I assume the above is in jest?

Well no, Cutie! it isn't.
Don't you think a visiting serial killer would explain the lack of DNA at the crime scene?
Scott Forbes has always maintained that bleach hampered the dogs brought in to search the woods, and we know Restivo was DNA savvy and carried bleach in his car.
I know full well that a visiting killer is not a popular theory, but I pray to god that Bubo is right, we dont want Stocky Man to be the killer, that would destroy the Jones family.
I think there is maybe some unknown DNA samples to be tested, if so, hopefully Restivo will match them.
All we need is CCTV of Restivo in the Edinburgh/Dalkeith area in June 2003, Cutie, or maybe a flight record!

[snow66!]

I have looked into this case some time ago when studying the LM case. Dorset police were in a jam around this time. They were dealing with a much 'darker' crime. The murder of Heather Barnett. They ruled our DR and did not have a suspect for either case.

Did they frame him??? If it was not DR who is the perpetrator.

I believe  the modus operandi for this case does not match that of HB but the killing of JJ is a much closer fit. DR was a suspect for a short period but was dismissed. I also believe the defence also pointed the finger at DR at one time.

I have studied DR in detail particularly the murder of Heather Barnet. There is good information on the HB case in the local papers which covered the case up to conviction. There is also a very large entry on Wikipedia about DR.
 
Dorset police were watching him and had him under surveillance but due to costs and the holiday influx of tourists to the area withdrew resources. There is a 71- day period when DR's whereabouts were unknown. During that time a girl went missing in Italy (2003 Easter day Erica Ansermin) and JJ was murdered (30/06/2003).

He may IMO also be responsible for the killing a Swedish girl Annie Borjesson in 2005. He was not caught/charged until 2010.

BBC coverage: A four part BBC series Body on the Beach What happened to Annie? was made by a journalist Hazel Martin.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11849.msg555944.html#msg555944

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12053.msg556008.html#msg556008

Yes, I was involved in that discussion with you, Bubo!

[Bubo bubo]

Yes, I was involved in that discussion with you, Bubo!

Dalkeith is 7 miles from Edinburgh and it takes 16 minutes by car. Nice place to visit with a large country park.