Pat Brown's Take On JB's Case (and David Bain's)

[Cambridgecutie]

Pat Brown is a woman from the US who claims to be a criminal profiler.  On her website she claims to have a master's degree in criminal justice from Boston University.  Her wiki page states she holds a MA in Criminal Justice.  Currently Boston University offers a Bachelor of Science (BS) in Criminal Justice:

https://www.patbrownprofiling.com/patbio.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Brown_(criminal_profiler)

https://www.bu.edu/academics/met/programs/criminal-justice/bs/

I personally think the woman is an armchair sleuth.  Nothing wrong with this but I object to someone professing to have professional qualifications relevant to the subject under discussion if they do not. 

I first came across Pat Brown when I was on the so-called Red forum on the Madeleine McCann board.  I did not pay any particular attention to her input.  At the time and up until the last few days I assumed, wrongly imo, that she was a bona fide criminal profiler with relevant qualifications.  Her name popped up on the MM board here a few days ago and I idly googled her to check out her credentials.  The alarm bells started ringing. 

Handyman mentioned she had also covered JB's case which I have since found on YouTube.  I find it difficult to watch as she lacks the sort of circumspection and gravitas you would expect from a criminal profiler. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfIypw4wqM

[Steve_uk]

Pat Brown is a woman from the US who claims to be a criminal profiler.  On her website she claims to have a master's degree in criminal justice from Boston University.  Her wiki page states she holds a MA in Criminal Justice.  Currently Boston University offers a Bachelor of Science (BS) in Criminal Justice:

https://www.patbrownprofiling.com/patbio.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Brown_(criminal_profiler)

https://www.bu.edu/academics/met/programs/criminal-justice/bs/

I personally think the woman is an armchair sleuth.  Nothing wrong with this but I object to someone professing to have professional qualifications relevant to the subject under discussion if they do not. 

I first came across Pat Brown when I was on the so-called Red forum on the Madeleine McCann board.  I did not pay any particular attention to her input.  At the time and up until the last few days I assumed, wrongly imo, that she was a bona fide criminal profiler with relevant qualifications.  Her name popped up on the MM board here a few days ago and I idly googled her to check out her credentials.  The alarm bells started ringing. 

Handyman mentioned she had also covered JB's case which I have since found on YouTube.  I find it difficult to watch as she lacks the sort of circumspection and gravitas you would expect from a criminal profiler. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfIypw4wqM

Do you mean you're a bit of a snob..

[Jonathan]

Roger Wilkes wrote that there was an "eminent psychiatrist" who worked for Bamber's defence who said "if ever there was a psychopath it's Jeremy Bamber". If there is such a report I hope Jeremy will one day let us read it.

[Steve_uk]

Roger Wilkes wrote that there was an "eminent psychiatrist" who worked for Bamber's defence who said "if ever there was a psychopath it's Jeremy Bamber". If there is such a report I hope Jeremy will one day let us read it.

If the cap fits:

A psychopath is an individual with a personality construct characterized by a profound lack of empathy, remorse, and emotional depth, often masked by superficial charm. They frequently exhibit antisocial, impulsive, manipulative, and egocentric behavior, often disregarding social norms and the rights of others. While not an official diagnosis in the DSM-5, it is considered a severe form of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)

[handymanz]

I assume Pat Brown thinks JB is guilty. There is also a lot more to David Bain's case than meets the eye. Pedophile networks etc in Dunedin at the time.
At the moment the weather here (in NZ) is pretty bad, so maybe I'll try and watch it today.

[snow66!]

Roger Wilkes wrote that there was an "eminent psychiatrist" who worked for Bamber's defence who said "if ever there was a psychopath it's Jeremy Bamber". If there is such a report I hope Jeremy will one day let us read it.

Remember, Jonathan, not all psychopaths are killers!
 Although JB has never been diagnosed with a personality disorder since incarcerated anyway we are told!

[handymanz]

Managed to listen to Pat Brown's take on Bamber & Bain.
She seems to glaze over a lot of the details particularly the silencer & 911 calls in the Bamber case.
Interestingly she said there was more evidence against Bain than Bamber, mainly because of the blood forensic evidence from his brother Stephen.
This tells me there was no forensic evidence found to speak of against Bamber. Yet Bamber probably had the bigger motive than David Bain.

This being primarily a forum about Jeremy Bamber, I can see that people in the guilty camp could be polarised into believing Pat Brown's take of her other opinions e.g. Maddie McCann etc.

[Jonathan]

Remember, Jonathan, not all psychopaths are killers!
 Although JB has never been diagnosed with a personality disorder since incarcerated anyway we are told!

you don't have to be a psychopath to be a murderer. but it helps!

[Jane]

Remember, Jonathan, not all psychopaths are killers!
 Although JB has never been diagnosed with a personality disorder since incarcerated anyway we are told!

Exactly how do you think such information would be given out -not that it's the public's business, anyway? Such knowledge would hardly do him any favours re getting his conviction overturned, ergo, it's perfectly possible that he may have been.

[Jonathan]

Exactly how do you think such information would be given out -not that it's the public's business, anyway? Such knowledge would hardly do him any favours re getting his conviction overturned, ergo, it's perfectly possible that he may have been.

AFAIK Bamber has never published full reports - anything released has been passed through the filter of himself and his CT

[snow66!]

Exactly how do you think such information would be given out -not that it's the public's business, anyway? Such knowledge would hardly do him any favours re getting his conviction overturned, ergo, it's perfectly possible that he may have been.

Well most of the docs usually have a psychologist taking part and giving their opinion as if it proves something, Jane!

[Jane]

Well most of the docs usually have a psychologist taking part and giving their opinion as if it proves something, Jane!

But they're not going to say, publicly, that they consider him a psychopath, are they. because the bottom line is why is it important? The prison authorities don't care. He's in prison because he was convicted of murdering his entire family. That rather confirms his status, I imagine. I don't see the same interest directed towards other mass murderers.

[snow66!]

But they're not going to say, publicly, that they consider him a psychopath, are they. because the bottom line is why is it important? The prison authorities don't care. He's in prison because he was convicted of murdering his entire family. That rather confirms his status, I imagine. I don't see the same interest directed towards other mass murderers.

No, but the interest will only be concentrated on those who maintain their innocence, Jane!

[Rob_]

Managed to listen to Pat Brown's take on Bamber & Bain.
She seems to glaze over a lot of the details particularly the silencer & 911 calls in the Bamber case.
Interestingly she said there was more evidence against Bain than Bamber, mainly because of the blood forensic evidence from his brother Stephen.
This tells me there was no forensic evidence found to speak of against Bamber. Yet Bamber probably had the bigger motive than David Bain.

This being primarily a forum about Jeremy Bamber, I can see that people in the guilty camp could be polarised into believing Pat Brown's take of her other opinions e.g. Maddie McCann etc.

I tried to watch this a while ago but like you thought she was glazing over a lot of detail.  I stopped watching it after 20 minutes or so.

[Steve_uk]

I tried to watch this a while ago but like you thought she was glazing over a lot of detail.  I stopped watching it after 20 minutes or so.

She picked out the salient points: the murder weapon being left on the settle and not locked away, Neville would telephone police himself if injured, not leave it to a proxy, Sheila's appearance made it unlikely she was involved in a fight with her father, Jeremy embellished a story about Nicholas and Daniel being taken away from their mother, when it was Colin who had charge anyway.

Robin was supposed to be wearing gloves when there was no point if he were bent on suicide, the ridiculous typewritten part-ungrammatical sentence left on the computer, when it was Arawa who was the star of the family,  the marks on David's person in contrast to the tiny scratch on Robin.