Colour of burns

[Hardy Boy]

Trouble is, unlike OJ.,and the glove, we dont have the actual neck available to fit into the Aga, HB!
I think Boyce's main aim was to replicate the marks on the pig skin to prove that the Aga was responsible for burning Nevills neck.
Obviously he couldn't burn a living human being even if he could position him right, that is probably why he didn't bother to place a makeshift plinth for the volunteer to lie on.
Obviously Philip Boyce thinks the picture of the Aga parts and Nevills neck side by side is sufficient proof that the Aga was responsible!
And to be quite honest, that is the main thing, the mark replication by the Aga handles, HB!

Magic quote, Snow, you’re right, we don’t have Nevill’s neck available to “fit” to the Aga. That’s because it doesn’t fit, and it shows the stooge doesn’t fit either!

And if the classic excuse is “the Aga was too hot to position correctly”, then here’s my tip for the expert from HB,  fit the doc’s neck when it’s cold, and  think about it, Because if it can’t fit cold, it won’t fit hot either.

So What you’re admitting now is that the contact position doesn’t work, so you want to ignore that and fall back on pig skin, I think any idiot would know hot metal can burn skin, that’s not the issue, the issue is, head on the floor, contact with the handles, middle of the neck could reach the handle and the drain tap acting as a stop for the body.

[Bubo bubo]

Magic quote, Snow, you’re right, we don’t have Nevill’s neck available to “fit” to the Aga. That’s because it doesn’t fit, and it shows the stooge doesn’t fit either!

And if the classic excuse is “the Aga was too hot to position correctly”, then here’s my tip for the expert from HB,  fit the doc’s neck when it’s cold, and  think about it, Because if it can’t fit cold, it won’t fit hot either.

So What you’re admitting now is that the contact position doesn’t work, so you want to ignore that and fall back on pig skin, I think any idiot would know hot metal can burn skin, that’s not the issue, the issue is, head on the floor, contact with the handles, middle of the neck could reach the handle and the drain tap acting as a stop for the body.

He could use a form of paint that would transfer to a human or some sort of object which would be a close match.

[Hardy Boy]

He could use a form of paint that would transfer to a human or some sort of object which would be a close match.

Yes, good idea Bubo. I think that would be perfect 👍. I Just think if your doing an experiment of this nature, with serious consequences, it deserves better attention, I'm being honest when I say it was  a second rate attempt at trying to prove a point, and like everything they’ve done in the past it’s ill thought out. They’ve not done Jeremy any favours I’m afraid!

[Hardy Boy]

He could use a form of paint that would transfer to a human or some sort of object which would be a close match.

The burnings not an issue in my opinion, Snow seems to rely on it, it’s matching Neville in the position they say he was and the police moving him!

[snow66!]

He could use a form of paint that would transfer to a human or some sort of object which would be a close match.

I said the same thing long ago, Bubo!
I asked Jane if she would mark the three points on her Aga with lip stick or such like and position herself on the floor till all three points made contact with her neck and then get her partner to measure the result!
Alas, Jane has not done this, or if she has, she is not going to share the results!

[Bubo bubo]

The burnings not an issue in my opinion, Snow seems to rely on it, it’s matching Neville in the position they say he was and the police moving him!

There is probably more information on this experiment than we have been given and may include medical experts views and even second opinions from other scientists. I think there is enough information to conclude that the marks are burns from contact with the Aga and therefore NB was moved before SOC photos.

[snow66!]

According to JBs Twitter page he is 65 today!
The team have also got an article in the Daily Mail about the fundraiser, it says they may go directly to the High court!
Not sure if its todays Daily Mail or not!

[Jane]

I said the same thing long ago, Bubo!
I asked Jane if she would mark the three points on her Aga with lip stick or such like and position herself on the floor till all three points made contact with her neck and then get her partner to measure the result!
Alas, Jane has not done this, or if she has, she is not going to share the results!

I don't recall that you asked, of me, any of the above. Snow! However, supposing you had, there's no way I could lay on the floor and be level with the Aga. There are cupboard at right angles to it, and if I laid full length, my head would be on the Aga surround. SO, you're correct. not only has Jane not complied with a request she has no recall of, I can't think she wouldn't have explained why, if she had! Really, given the lengths I went to to give dimensions, I can't think why such wasn't enough. On the other hand, it's perfectly possible that I dismissed the request as ludicrous?

[snow66!]

I don't recall that you asked, of me, any of the above. Snow! However, supposing you had, there's no way I could lay on the floor and be level with the Aga. There are cupboard at right angles to it, and if I laid full length, my head would be on the Aga surround. SO, you're correct. not only has Jane not complied with a request she has no recall of, I can't think she wouldn't have explained why, if she had! Really, given the lengths I went to to give dimensions, I can't think why such wasn't enough. On the other hand, it's perfectly possible that I dismissed the request as ludicrous?

It was quite a while ago, Jane!
But I will find the post, if only to prove that I am not lying!

[Adam]

Snow is relying on a lot of things to happen consecutively which most find impossible -

Sheila knocks out Nevill.

Nevill is knocked out for 4 hours.

Nevill lands sideways on to the aga door.

The cold aga door is hot.

Nevill can function after 4 hours.

Nevill decides to phone Jeremy.

Sheila overpowers a fully fit Nevill who is able to function after 4 hours. 

[Hardy Boy]

There is probably more information on this experiment than we have been given and may include medical experts views and even second opinions from other scientists. I think there is enough information to conclude that the marks are burns from contact with the Aga and therefore NB was moved before SOC photos.

Boyce himself previously said other possibilities,  including burn marks from the rifle barrel, backed up by knights prodding.   So the documentary’s proves nothing as Aga only and all it does is float an idea. Even  if you paid ten experts to say “the Aga could have caused it”… “could” doesn’t mean it did, the prosecution could get experts to back the rifle barrel did it.  “Could” applies to plenty of hot objects that could burn skin.

Adding more opinions doesn’t fix the main obstacle, the body position and contact points,  so even if we say that the Aga COULD  have caused the marks, it still doesn’t prove the next hurdle, That the police actually moved Nevill,  and why.

[Hardy Boy]

Snow is relying on a lot of things to happen consecutively which most find impossible -

Sheila knocks out Nevill.

Nevill is knocked out for 4 hours.

Nevill lands sideways on to the aga door.

The cold aga door is hot.

Nevill can function after 4 hours.

Nevill decides to phone Jeremy.

Sheila overpowers a fully fit Nevill who is able to function after 4 hours.

He's changed it, he’s now suggested Neville was a contortionist in a Aga Yoga pose, his legs facing away from the Aga but his torso touching?

[Hardy Boy]

According to JBs Twitter page he is 65 today!
The team have also got an article in the Daily Mail about the fundraiser, it says they may go directly to the High court!
Not sure if its todays Daily Mail or not!

He will go to the High court, just to ask for a judicial Review, a judicial review of the CCRC first which isn’t the same thing as overturning a conviction.

[Bubo bubo]

Boyce himself previously said other possibilities,  including burn marks from the rifle barrel, backed up by knights prodding.   So the documentary’s proves nothing as Aga only and all it does is float an idea. Even  if you paid ten experts to say “the Aga could have caused it”… “could” doesn’t mean it did, the prosecution could get experts to back the rifle barrel did it.  “Could” applies to plenty of hot objects that could burn skin.

Adding more opinions doesn’t fix the main obstacle, the body position and contact points,  so even if we say that the Aga COULD  have caused the marks, it still doesn’t prove the next hurdle, That the police actually moved Nevill,  and why.

Lets cross the first bridge before we look further. I use the word could because I am not an expert. Courts do take the track record of specialists into account when waying up their evidence and often ask them to give likelihood in statistical terms.

[Hardy Boy]

Lets cross the first bridge before we look further. I use the word could because I am not an expert. Courts do take the track record of specialists into account when waying up their evidence and often ask them to give likelihood in statistical terms.

Of course courts listen to experts — they listen to experts on both sides. But expert opinion still has to be backed by proof, not assumption, and that proof isn’t there. At the end of the day that Statistical term you use drops dramatically if they don’t have proof of Police moving Neville. Are you on board with the Doc Maker, they simply moved him for “Gallows Humour”. Do you think they all looked at Neville and said “let’s move him and sit him on a chair, pull his pjs down and put his head in a coal scuttle” for a laugh?, it’s fking sick what some make up!