Colour of burns

[Hardy Boy]

I'm just saying what I see in the crime scene, HB. nothing more!

I know Snow, I like your honesty.  Take a look at my next post Snow, I value your input 👍

[Hardy Boy]

I suppose your favourite is I want to ride my bicycle by Queen.

Oh yes, thanks for the title, I do play music while I cycle,   mainly Peter  Gabriel both with Genesis and solo.  “Supers ready” my Favourite, it reminds me of growing up when my older cousin introduced me to his music.

[Hardy Boy]

I know Snow, I like your honesty.  Take a look at my next post Snow, I value your input 👍

How much more evidence do you need, it’s simply not Possible.  It’s game over I’m afraid.

[Bubo bubo]

Oh yes, thanks fir the title, I do play music while I cycle,   mainly Peter  Gabriel both with Genesis and solo.  “Supers ready” my Favourite, it reminds me of growing up when my older cousin introduced me to his music.

Yes I went to a Genesis concert at Wembley after he had moved on and Phil Collins was doing more of the vocals. I like all music from Classical to Grime. Am going to watch an Egyptian group called Cairokee later this year.
Cheers Bubo

[Bubo bubo]

Yes I went to a Genesis concert at Wembley after he had moved on and Phil Collins was doing more of the vocals. I like all music from Classical to Grime. Am going to watch an Egyptian group called Cairokee later this year.
Cheers Bubo

Its actual title is 'Bicycle Race'

[Jonathan]

How much more evidence do you need, it’s simply not Possible.  It’s game over I’m afraid.

Boyce fails on a number of levels

he's not at expert on skin, skin marks or burns

because of the bricks the Aga handle he used with the volunteer was at a different height to the one at WHF

he doesn't know the heat of the WHF Aga when it was relevant

would take the CCRC five minutes to dismiss it (including writing it up)

[snow66!]

Cooking up a lie, finally a photo of him actually layed in the floor in front of the Aga,  In the actual shot he isn’t on the three “contact points” at all,   he’s wedged into the drain tap like I always said he would, So what happens next? He lifts himself up, twists his body and props himself into position to manufacture contact for the camera. That gap to me for it to hit the middle of the spine must be well over 8 inch?

Which brings it back to the same problem they can’t escape,  the position doesn’t naturally produce the burns they claim from the Aga handles?

The drain tap is only four inches off the floor, HB, and then the handle and other parts roughly another 10-12inches further up, so the centre of the handle would be roughly 14+ inches off the floor?
As we can see, Nevill had fairly broad shoulders so wouldn't have needed to be at lying at much of an angle for the centre of his back to reach.

[David1819]

Can anyone point where the Temperature Gauge is?

In this photo its obscured by the metal bar. But you can see it in other photos.

[Bubo bubo]

In this photo its obscured by the metal bar. But you can see it in other photos.

Please provide a link to photo that shows it. My research said it was between the bar and the top and was not as good as internal temperature gauges and was a bit cosmetic. Thanks

[Hardy Boy]

The drain tap is only four inches off the floor, HB, and then the handle and other parts roughly another 10-12inches further up, so the centre of the handle would be roughly 14+ inches off the floor?
As we can see, Nevill had fairly broad shoulders so wouldn't have needed to be at lying at much of an angle for the centre of his back to reach.

I’m ready and loaded, Snow. We’re not talking about shoulders here,   we’re talking about the middle of the neck.

If the head is on the floor, the neck drops lower, not higher. That increases the distance between the handle and the centre of the neck, it doesn’t reduce it. So you have to factor the head being on the floor into this.

The lower the head goes, the further away the handle gets.

Look at the photo again and then visualise that handle somehow reaching the middle of the neck — it can’t. As the shoulders slope away, the head drops even more.

Drop the Aga the three inches if you like — it still doesn’t work. And then look at the other two supposed contact points and try to line them up with the spine as well.

[Hardy Boy]

In this photo its obscured by the metal bar. But you can see it in other photos.

Hi David, I found it on the Aga they were testing, but not the WHF one, there is a round disc, but I think that is just a name plate.

[Jane]

Please provide a link to photo that shows it. My research said it was between the bar and the top and was not as good as internal temperature gauges and was a bit cosmetic. Thanks

Ours is just under the black surface and almost obscured by the towel rail. Not highly efficient.

[Hardy Boy]

I’m ready and loaded, Snow. We’re not talking about shoulders here,   we’re talking about the middle of the neck.

If the head is on the floor, the neck drops lower, not higher. That increases the distance between the handle and the centre of the neck, it doesn’t reduce it. So you have to factor the head being on the floor into this.

The lower the head goes, the further away the handle gets.

Look at the photo again and then visualise that handle somehow reaching the middle of the neck — it can’t. As the shoulders slope away, the head drops even more.

Drop the Aga the three inches if you like — it still doesn’t work. And then look at the other two supposed contact points and try to line them up with the spine as well.

If the centre of the neck is 4 inches off the floor, I’m being generous as well (with the head on the floor), then the handle still has a massive height gap to bridge, to hit or make contact with the middle of the neck?

[Jane]

Hi David, I found it on the Aga they were testing, but not the WHF one, there is a round disc, but I think that is just a name plate.

It's long like an old fashioned thermometer. the colours are black silver and red, according to the temperature.

[Hardy Boy]

It's long like an old fashioned thermometer. the colours are black silver and red, according to the temperature.

Like this Jane, this is in the reconstruction Aga,