Colour of burns

[Bubo bubo]

Bear in mind that photo’s can be very deceiving, especially at angles.  These photo’s were taken after the TFG officers had entered, and the whole argument centres around the TFG moving Neville from the Aga floor to the chair that the Doc maker is referring to.

Let’s flip it slightly, why would the TFG move Neville or Chairs into this position leaving a four inch Gap as claimed by the Doc maker, especially at  the door they were using as entry and exit points.  The officers never claimed that Neville stopped entry, they simply said he was behind the door when they entered (meaning they was inside the kitchen) and  he was seated nearer to the Aga, so when the door was opened Neville would then be behind it and not in front of it?  The chairs or Neville must have been passable or other officers wouldn’t be able to enter?

Right then we have, Multiple senior officers and a doctor entered via the same White side door, after the TFG had left and supposedly repositioned Neville,  as claimed. And couldn’t get passed chairs,
   1   Chief Inspector Gibbons, Harris
   2   Dr Craig
   3   Detective Chief Inspector Jones
   4   Detective Inspector Cook
   5   Scenes of Crime officers

Therefore:
If the chairs and  Neville’s body made entry physically impossible, then, Those officers could not have entered, or how did those officers enter, or if entry was that difficult, the TFG would have advised to use the Front door for entrance and not disturb the crime scene.

So we’re led to believe that the TFG supposedly repositioned Neville before those entries,  and somehow placed him in the exact position that later allowed repeated access by other officers?


Trained officers, doctors, and SOCO staff still walked through that doorway, not once but Multiple times and Using the same route, and Without any comment from anyone to say it was impassable, A doorway that multiple officers walked through AFTER the event cannot suddenly become impassable Roch just because someone needed it to be!

I do not believe that the TFG moved NB. It is clear that access was easy for all those who entered the kitchen by the back kitchen door. I think it was done by the SOC team when they were locked in (Cooks claim) with Montgomery the only other person allowed in. I believe they were kept back and did not enter till around 10.00am. Who better than a team of SOCO's to make final adjustments/staging to a crime scene. If NB died between his abandoned call and say 04.00 am. That would mean he could have been against the Aga  for at least 6 hours.

[Hardy Boy]

I do not believe that the TFG moved NB. It is clear that access was easy for all those who entered the kitchen by the back kitchen door. I think it was done by the SOC team when they were locked in (Cooks claim) with Montgomery the only other person allowed in. I believe they were kept back and did not enter till around 10.00am. Who better than a team of SOCO's to make final adjustments/staging to a crime scene. If NB died between his abandoned call and say 04.00 am. That would mean he could have been against the Aga  for at least 6 hours.

Bingo, I knew what your response would be,  If SOCO moved Nevill, then everyone who entered before them becomes implicated,  the raid team, Dr Craig, and every officer who accessed the kitchen earlier. You can’t cast responsibility to a later team without accusing all prior entrants concealing it.  That makes TAFFF part of the cover up!

[Hardy Boy]

It can be seen by the crease in his neck, how he's straining to keep his head up. Had he been unconscious, his head would have dropped.

I still have more to add Myself Jane, been out cycling.  I agree,  no wonder Roch doesn’t want Cutie to watch the video 🙈

[Bubo bubo]

Bingo, I knew what your response would be,  If SOCO moved Nevill, then everyone who entered before them becomes implicated,  the raid team, Dr Craig, and every officer who accessed the kitchen earlier. You can’t cast responsibility to a later team without accusing all prior entrants concealing it.  That makes TAFFF part of the cover up!

I agree. Whoever entered prior to the SOCO team knew he had been moved., Harris the raid team, Dr Craig and Taff. You can add other names if you wish. Craig examined him by the Aga before he was moved and before SC was shot for a second time when SOCO's were in charge.

[Hardy Boy]

I don't think the written article attributes the moving / balancing of Nevill on the TFG specifically. But I can see why they might be a go-to option in people's minds. The structure that has been set up to balance Neville is quite elaborate.  If this was Nevill's natural resting place at his death, why would it be important for a killer to balance him?

I get what you’re saying, Roch, and I agree,  the article doesn’t totally pin the movement on the TFG. But, that argument still exists, it’s not someone might have moved Neville, it’s someone must have, and as for the Balancing, it cuts both ways, and could be asked why would the TFG do the same, why move him to try to balance him on a chair to make entrance and exit more difficult, why not just pull him away from the Aga if they had fire concerns?

As for the idea of Nevill being pushed forward, I’ve always said in previous posts that I agree with Knight,  that prodding from behind could explain the marks,  it could  be someone testing for signs of life, pushing a body forward, this could be to test for life,   To me it’s far more straight forward, and that way a dead Neville gets his top half pushed forward and the coal scuttle breaks his forward movement.

[Hardy Boy]

I agree. Whoever entered prior to the SOCO team knew he had been moved., Harris the raid team, Dr Craig and Taff. You can add other names if you wish. Craig examined him by the Aga before he was moved and before SC was shot for a second time when SOCO's were in charge.

Oh, so now we’ve got half of Essex Police in on it now, keep widening the net Bubo, all your doing is expanding to catch more fish and to help Survive as usual.

[Roch]

I still have more to add Myself Jane, been out cycling.  I agree,  no wonder Roch doesn’t want Cutie to watch the video 🙈

I think it's pointless ignoring the written articles for the sake of the video. Absorb it all, I say.  The most curious thing for me is the balancing act involving chairs / cushions and the proximity of the chairs to the entrance.

[Hardy Boy]

I think it's pointless ignoring the written articles for the sake of the video. Absorb it all, I say.  The most curious thing for me is the balancing act involving chairs / cushions and the proximity of the chairs to the entrance.

Well I have give my honest opinion Roch, and I did read the article.  To me they are very valid points I raised and not just to pull it apart.

[Bubo bubo]

Oh, so now we’ve got half of Essex Police in on it now, keep widening the net Bubo, all your doing is expanding to catch more fish and to help Survive as usual.

Wrong this has been part of my theory for many years built up over time. Do not exaggerate. Essex police had between 2700 and 3100 warranted officers in the mid 1980's. Like Gloria Gaynor 'I will survive', despite your closed mind.

[Hardy Boy]

Wrong this has been part of my theory for many years built up over time. Do not exaggerate. Essex police had between 2700 and 3100 warranted officers in the mid 1980's. Like Gloria Gaynor 'I will survive', despite your closed mind.

Ha Ha talking of Gloria Gaynor, she also had another song more fitting for you “Ain’t no bigger Fool”

[snow66!]

I think it's pointless ignoring the written articles for the sake of the video. Absorb it all, I say.  The most curious thing for me is the balancing act involving chairs / cushions and the proximity of the chairs to the entrance.

Personally, I think all those points are exaggerated and can be debunked quite easily, Roch.
Firstly there is no balancing act going on with one chair supporting another and so on, Nevill is sitting on 'one' chair and his weight is holding it firmly in place without the need for any other help.
I have said it before, Nevill is supported by the upturned chair and scuttle, but also the wall, which he may be leaning into ever so slightly.
Those are the three things that are supporting Nevill and no other help is needed from extra chairs or anything else as far as I can see.
Also, he has one leg forward and one leg back, also helping to stabilize his stance.
Infact, I believe his pyjama bottoms being pulled down and stretched also help.
But! Thats just my opinion, Roch.
As for this 4 inch gap to squeeze by, that just isn't true!
The kitchen door can be opened well round because of the recess before the chair hinders it.
If you do a quick sketch with a scale ruler you will find the gap is nearer to 18inches and not 4.
Yes, you may have to squeeze past the second chair or step over it, but this wouldn't be hard to do surely?
Anyway, thats my opinion!

[Hardy Boy]

Personally, I think all those points are exaggerated and can be debunked quite easily, Roch.
Firstly there is no balancing act going on with one chair supporting another and so on, Nevill is sitting on 'one' chair and his weight is holding it firmly in place without the need for any other help.
I have said it before, Nevill is supported by the upturned chair and scuttle, but also the wall, which he may be leaning into ever so slightly.
Those are the three things that are supporting Nevill and no other help is needed from extra chairs or anything else as far as I can see.
Also, he has one leg forward and one leg back, also helping to stabilize his stance.
Infact, I believe his pyjama bottoms being pulled down and stretched also help.
But! Thats just my opinion, Roch.
As for this 4 inch gap to squeeze by, that just isn't true!
The kitchen door can be opened well round because of the recess before the chair hinders it.
If you do a quick sketch with a scale ruler you will find the gap is nearer to 18inches and not 4.
Yes, you may have to squeeze past the second chair or step over it, but this wouldn't be hard to do surely?
Anyway, thats my opinion!

What a great post, That sounds right to me, Snow. There’s no need for any elaborate balancing act, one chair, the coal scuttle and possibly the wall are enough. And the 4-inch gap never made sense.  To be honest I think you’re on fire this week 👍.

[snow66!]

What a great post, That sounds right to me, Snow. There’s no need for any elaborate balancing act, one chair, the coal scuttle and possibly the wall are enough. And the 4-inch gap never made sense.  To be honest I think you’re on fire this week 👍.

I'm just saying what I see in the crime scene, HB. nothing more!

[Hardy Boy]

Cooking up a lie, finally a photo of him actually layed in the floor in front of the Aga,  In the actual shot he isn’t on the three “contact points” at all,   he’s wedged into the drain tap like I always said he would, So what happens next? He lifts himself up, twists his body and props himself into position to manufacture contact for the camera. That gap to me for it to hit the middle of the spine must be well over 8 inch?

Which brings it back to the same problem they can’t escape,  the position doesn’t naturally produce the burns they claim from the Aga handles?

[Bubo bubo]

Ha Ha talking of Gloria Gaynor, she also had another song more fitting for you “Ain’t no bigger Fool”

I suppose your favourite is I want to ride my bicycle by Queen.