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Offline Roch

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #495 on: January 11, 2026, 01:55:PM »
Notice the doc-maker says the burns took at least 4hrs to form, but more likely 5-6 ?
That in itself raises a few questions!

Do you think NB was initially moved away from the Aga, which causes the pool of blood on the floor. The pants were then used to try and soak up the pool and then the chairs were rearranged in order to take the weight of NB; and the coal scuttle then placed to prevent any more pooling? If so, why do you think NB was moved from the Aga in the first place? Could it have the burning skin?

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #496 on: January 11, 2026, 01:57:PM »
Thanks Roch, yes I had read it before.  I have a very lot of Flaws in what he’s saying though   I did write some down some time back,  😂😂😂. I’m sure you’ll be interested 🙈. I’ll try and do it in stages because I have to copy and reconstruct my Narrative.
For me, the blood argument,  If Nevill lay against the Aga for hours and was then moved, the blood pooling would reflect that earlier position. It doesn’t. The pooling is consistent with where he was found. That single fact alone for me undermines the entire hours against the Aga then moved story.

The Police raid team statements are consistent with how Neville was found, the Doc,  he say’s. Nevill lying against it for hours, then to police moving the body, then to the crime scene photos being unreliable, then to police lying, then to the appeal being unsafe. None of this is demonstrated, it’s all assumed and unproven.

You can lay/place almost any object until something looks convincing,  the stooge himself admits the position was not accurate because the handles were too hot. That means the reconstruction is avoiding  the very contact claims to demonstrate. Once he’s  admitted that,  this then cannot be evidence.


Why use Boyce?  All he’s doing He’s measuring distances and saying “that could fit”. Measuring isn’t expertise, someone sent me a message this morning to measure something,    Anyone with a tape measure can do that.


I did read,  where he mocks Vanzesis for s9mething and then quotes the same thing?  I can’t come across it though.

Has anyone serious ever claimed the rifle or moderator was glowing red at foundry temperatures while being used, or is it Strawman invented?





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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #497 on: January 11, 2026, 02:01:PM »
Notice the doc-maker says the burns took at least 4hrs to form, but more likely 5-6 ?
That in itself raises a few questions!
Nice spotting Snow, and it has to keep a heated temperature on a coal fired Aga in the height of the Summer.  Actually, yours seems more plausible than theirs, your avoiding Police Movement and Blood Pooling, if we can just rehash the three hour knockout where on our way home.

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« Reply #498 on: January 11, 2026, 02:06:PM »
Nice spotting Snow, and it has to keep a heated temperature on a coal fired Aga in the height of the Summer.  Actually, yours seems more plausible than theirs, your avoiding Police Movement and Blood Pooling, if we can just rehash the three hour knockout where on our way home.
Well a minimum of 4hrs would be 11.00- 3.00, HB!

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #499 on: January 11, 2026, 02:07:PM »
It's mainly written article with images. In two parts. Re the video, the only part worth watching is the MET detective bit. You will have seen the rest. I have posted up the two article links.
Ive got to pay for the subscription Roch, I’m already working Pro Bono for Bubo, Cutie and Snow, putting right, And correcting and analysing their mistakes, I’m Skint as it is.  I might have to charge all three for my services in the near future.

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« Reply #500 on: January 11, 2026, 02:10:PM »
Do you think NB was initially moved away from the Aga, which causes the pool of blood on the floor. The pants were then used to try and soak up the pool and then the chairs were rearranged in order to take the weight of NB; and the coal scuttle then placed to prevent any more pooling? If so, why do you think NB was moved from the Aga in the first place? Could it have the burning skin?
Well that is one of the doc-makers arguments, Roch, that the police feared that Nevills pyjama jacket would catch fire.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #501 on: January 11, 2026, 02:20:PM »
Well that is one of the doc-makers arguments, Roch, that the police feared that Nevills pyjama jacket would catch fire.
Dont fall for it Snow, think logic… the police would know from the times, by that point he’d already been there for nearly four hours.  Don’t forget it was about 7.45 am when they entered,  If there was any genuine fire risk, it would have happened long before police arrived. Moving him then to prevent burning makes no sense at all, and the blood evidence still doesn’t support what the Doc maker is saying.  Not only that there was no showing of burning on his PJs.
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #502 on: January 11, 2026, 02:33:PM »
Well that is one of the doc-makers arguments, Roch, that the police feared that Nevills pyjama jacket would catch fire.

Would they have been able to smell burning skin?

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #503 on: January 11, 2026, 02:41:PM »
Would they have been able to smell burning skin?
We had an open coal fire Roch, if you stood in front of it you could smell your trousers burning, you had to move away.  but that was a more intense heat and open flames.

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« Reply #504 on: January 11, 2026, 02:56:PM »
Dont fall for it Snow, think logic… the police would know from the times, by that point he’d already been there for nearly four hours.  Don’t forget it was about 7.45 am when they entered,  If there was any genuine fire risk, it would have happened long before police arrived. Moving him then to prevent burning makes no sense at all, and the blood evidence still doesn’t support what the Doc maker is saying.  Not only that there was no showing of burning on his PJs.
Yes, the same thing went through my head, HB!
Although the pool of blood is in the general area of where Nevills head would have been lying against the Aga if you think about it, Although there is no stains from his arm wound on the carpet!

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #505 on: January 11, 2026, 03:00:PM »
Yes, the same thing went through my head, HB!
Although the pool of blood is in the general area of where Nevills head would have been lying against the Aga if you think about it, Although there is no stains from his arm wound on the carpet!

Replies 476 & 477 have negated your theory.

Please concede.
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« Reply #506 on: January 11, 2026, 03:05:PM »
Would they have been able to smell burning skin?
Quite possibly, Roch!
But lets say the TFG did move Nevill, surely that means they knew what caused the burns and hid this from the likes of Vanezis, and let the police go on to accuse JB of causing the burns at trial!

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #507 on: January 11, 2026, 03:06:PM »
Dont fall for it Snow, think logic… the police would know from the times, by that point he’d already been there for nearly four hours.  Don’t forget it was about 7.45 am when they entered,  If there was any genuine fire risk, it would have happened long before police arrived. Moving him then to prevent burning makes no sense at all, and the blood evidence still doesn’t support what the Doc maker is saying.  Not only that there was no showing of burning on his PJs.
This was from a report….Mr Bamber’s body lay across an overturned chair that can have had nothing to do with the actions of the TFG (The Firearms Group).


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Maybe it wasn’t the TFG - but what about the officers who came in afterwards? Couldn’t this be considered a case of gas lighting ? Look over here, not over there.


For this to have happened,
This would make Dr Craig part of the Cover up if it was done by other officers after the TFG had gone?
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #508 on: January 11, 2026, 03:10:PM »
Replies 476 & 477 have negated your theory.

Please concede.
That has nothing to do with where the pool of blood was, Adam?
As for being knocked out, it is the only other explanation if the Aga did burn Nevills back and the police didn't move him!
What other possibility exists??

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #509 on: January 11, 2026, 03:12:PM »
Yes, the same thing went through my head, HB!
Although the pool of blood is in the general area of where Nevills head would have been lying against the Aga if you think about it, Although there is no stains from his arm wound on the carpet!

As I have posted before that once NB has been repositioned it would be easy to turn the mat over if there were blood stains on the top. Such an action could also explain why Suthurst could not find evidence of paint from the scratches of the Aga surround.