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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #225 on: January 06, 2026, 08:01:AM »
The clothing is around the scuttle, the trousers are lying flat and soaked in blood, there is also a cushion cover. The clothing seems to have been there before Nevill ended up on the chair/scuttle.
Seems about right…….. Collins moved objects that might cause problems for the raid team moving safely around the house:
“I moved two kitchen stools which were laying down near to the hallway entrance. I moved these stools about 2 or 3 feet but left them in a similar position as they were found. I moved them to enable me to carry on my search of the house as safe as possible.”

That all makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is the suggestion that Collins or the raid team would then move Neville’s body from the floor in front of the Aga and place him seated in a chair, with his head in a coal scuttle and blood pooling at its base,  positioning him in the doorway they were using as an entry and exit point. That would create a hazard, not remove one.

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« Reply #226 on: January 06, 2026, 04:47:PM »
I may join that one but I will face questions as to my sanity, for sure.

Don't worry. We have members having sexual conversations with themselves while drunk. So the bar for entry is rather low.  :))
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« Reply #227 on: January 06, 2026, 05:16:PM »
Don't worry. We have members having sexual conversations with themselves while drunk. So the bar for entry is rather low.  :))

But I am TT. Is alcohol a prerequisite. Glad the bar is low I am not very tall.

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« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2026, 07:54:PM »
Ha Ha, talking of fools, I suppose with the stupid theories Cutie comes up with, she tries to level the playing field and bring everyone to her level…..it’s a Comfort Blanket for her!  Cutie’s like UTD at the moment lost for ideas.
I have lost patience with them. They were on a downward trajectory ever since Alex Ferguson left and the Glazers took over. Now it's just one bad story after another. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2gnjkmppdo

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« Reply #229 on: January 06, 2026, 08:05:PM »
I have lost patience with them. They were on a downward trajectory ever since Alex Ferguson left and the Glazers took over. Now it's just one bad story after another. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2gnjkmppdo
I agree Steve, I have a brick there with my name on it and I went to take photos of it before Old Trafford gets demolished, I came away really sad about the decline of such a great club.

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« Reply #230 on: January 07, 2026, 08:58:AM »
Don't worry. We have members having sexual conversations with themselves while drunk. So the bar for entry is rather low.  :))

A bit rich from the forum's mass debater in chief.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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« Reply #231 on: January 07, 2026, 09:17:AM »
Ha Ha, talking of fools, I suppose with the stupid theories Cutie comes up with, she tries to level the playing field and bring everyone to her level…..it’s a Comfort Blanket for her!  Cutie’s like UTD at the moment lost for ideas.

Haha you are forgetting I am not even a JB reserve.  Maybe JB needs to take a leaf out of Utd's book and remove the management because they haven't delivered! 

I do agree my theory that DS Jones climbed through the window to fabricate the outside of the silencer before the relatives found it is stupid.  I have now revised this.  DS Jones fabricated the OUTSIDE of the silencer after he collected it from the relatives.  So all the relatives involved in finding the silencer and claiming they saw this, that and the other on it perjured themselves and I sincerely hope they stay alive long enough to face their day in court. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #232 on: January 07, 2026, 09:25:AM »
Haha you are forgetting I am not even a JB reserve.  Maybe JB needs to take a leaf out of Utd's book and remove the management because they haven't delivered! 

I do agree my theory that DS Jones climbed through the window to fabricate the outside of the silencer before the relatives found it is stupid.  I have now revised this.  DS Jones fabricated the OUTSIDE of the silencer after he collected it from the relatives.  So all the relatives involved in finding the silencer and claiming they saw this, that and the other on it perjured themselves and I sincerely hope they stay alive long enough to face their day in court.
Ha Ha, that’s a relief, I won’t throw it at you now.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #233 on: January 08, 2026, 01:53:PM »
This is what David Boutflour said to David Smith in an interview…… During the clean-up on August 10, by his ownaccount David Boutflour picked up some ammunition that was lying around and went to return it to the gun cupboard where he found hidden away the sound moderator — we can call-it the “silencer” — of the murder weapon. It was STICKY as if it had been hurriedly cleaned, and
appeared to show spots of blood and flecks of-red paint, and a single hair. Boutflour told me: “I remember some things like it was yesterday. I remember finding the silencer.  He’s suggesting that we fraudulently shoved the  paint and the blood in to make it appear he had done it. Well, that’s a load of rubbish.

Sticky,   After research I found…… Suppressors trap:
   •   carbon,
   •   burnt powder residue,
   •   microscopic lead particles.

If someone tries to clean it quickly:
   •   with water,
   •   without solvent,
   •   and without drying it fully,

carbon residue can soften and smear rather than wash away. As it dries, it can feel gummy or sticky, especially inside baffles or on textured metal.

Firearms and moderators are normally coated with:
   •   gun oil,
   •   light grease,
   •   or preservative lubricant.

If a silencer is:
   •   rinsed or wiped with water,
   •   but not properly degreased,

you often get a thin emulsified residue. As the water evaporates, what’s left behind feels:
   •   slightly sticky,
   •   tacky,
   •   or draggy to the touc

Blood mixed with moisture

Blood that’s:
   •   diluted with water,
   •   incompletely rinsed,
   •   and allowed to dry,

often becomes tacky rather than flaky. It doesn’t always dry hard — especially if mixed with oil or grease already on


 


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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #234 on: January 08, 2026, 03:08:PM »
Not sure if the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back has been discussed before or not?
Anyway, I asked Grok about burns with a heated object and while there is little difference how quickly they form on a living or dead body the colour of them might indicate when they happened!
According to Grok, burns that occurr after death appear drier, paler and yellowish in colour.
But as we can see, the burns to Nevill's back appear to be dark purple, almost black!
Thing is, at the time of the trial it was just assumed that the burns had occurred before death, either by prodding, torture, or whatever, so there would have been no need really to question 'when' they happened, would there? And the colour certainly indicates pre-mortem burns, well according to Grok anyway!
So!! This will be another question for Professor Peter Vanezis and others!
 In their professional opinions, judging by the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back, did they happen before or after death??
Boyce’s experiment falls Flat, he’s reconstructing an Aga that is raised on a Plinth (red brick) against an Aga on the floor WHF, this alone discredits his Theory. If your changing the Aga height, your changing the true outcome!  How can you possibly reconstruct a scene without using the same height, he’s redesigned it to try to make it fit!

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« Reply #235 on: January 08, 2026, 03:14:PM »
Boyce’s experiment falls Flat, he’s reconstructing an Aga that is raised on a Plinth (red brick) against an Aga on the floor WHF, this alone discredits his Theory. If your changing the Aga height, your changing the true outcome!  How can you possibly reconstruct a scene without using the same height, he’s redesigned it to try to make it fit!
Sat on Red brick
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« Reply #237 on: January 08, 2026, 03:56:PM »
I’ve studied the case for about fifteen years now, and was once open to the idea that Bamber might be innocent. This is the type of thing that changed my mind,  the quality of the video being pushed for referral, is manufactured  to me,  and  once evidence has to be manufactured and reconstructed under altered conditions, it’s easy to dismiss. My view is based on credibility, not loyalty to any story, in fact I’ve got no loyalty to anyone whatsoever within the case,   His supporters think they can pedal any story they want to gather support, but for me it has the opposite effect, it pushes me further away!
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #238 on: January 08, 2026, 05:22:PM »
Neville was lying dead beside the Aga, A large amount of Blood had Drained from his head wounds but this had been CONTAINED in the area in which he was POSITIONED. 
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #239 on: January 08, 2026, 06:48:PM »
Boyce’s experiment falls Flat, he’s reconstructing an Aga that is raised on a Plinth (red brick) against an Aga on the floor WHF, this alone discredits his Theory. If your changing the Aga height, your changing the true outcome!  How can you possibly reconstruct a scene without using the same height, he’s redesigned it to try to make it fit!
But we all know the Boyce Aga is about three inches off the floor, HB!
Boyce allowed for this!