Colour of burns

[ILB]

I have already told you that.

Bamber is the only person who knows. Although he has probably forgotten the reasons.

Doubtful, razor sharp mind, can tell by his interviews years on.

[ILB]

As Jeremy said, 'a loony'.

He didn't do himself favours with " She's used all the guns before, I've never seen her fire a gun as an adult"

[Bubo bubo]

NB did not fall against the Aga.  He was chased to the kitchen by SC and fell/stumbled into/onto the chair.  He lifted his right arm in an attempt to defend himself from the blows.  His found position was consistent with hypostatis as confirmed by Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight for the defence.  All of this is futher supported by the gunshot wounds to the back of his head. 

I am not sure whether you actually believe this so-called Aga evidence or you are just taking the P!

You post as if you were there??? The point is that no one knows what happened between JB leaving and the police entry. I have said it before and I will say it again. All manner of movement by the adults is possible so you can make up whatever scenario you like about what happened in this time frame. Movement of telephones etc. Even the police do not have a minute by minute record of who did what to who and when. The police can come up with a rough idea but if the police made changes to the crime scene then however much we speculate we are unlikely to work out exactly what happened.

This is one reason for the Aga MARKS to be examined.

[Jane]

You post as if you were there??? The point is that no one knows what happened between JB leaving and the police entry. I have said it before and I will say it again. All manner of movement by the adults is possible so you can make up whatever scenario you like about what happened in this time frame. Movement of telephones etc. Even the police do not have a minute by minute record of who did what to who and when. The police can come up with a rough idea but if the police made changes to the crime scene then however much we speculate we are unlikely to work out exactly what happened.

This is one reason for the Aga MARKS to be examined.

Riiight! So I guess that's what you've been doing, posting as if you were there? I hadn't actually realized there were MARKS on the Aga, though!

[snow66!]

NB did not fall against the Aga.  He was chased to the kitchen by SC and fell/stumbled into/onto the chair.  He lifted his right arm in an attempt to defend himself from the blows.  His found position was consistent with hypostatis as confirmed by Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight for the defence.  All of this is futher supported by the gunshot wounds to the back of his head. 

I am not sure whether you actually believe this so-called Aga evidence or you are just taking the P!

Oh deary me, Cutie! You're yet another one who doesn't bother to read my scenarios properly!
My scenario is very similar to yours, 90% the same but just with added Aga burn evidence [ok,ok. theory]
We both have things kicking off in the kitchen, but at different times! You at 3.10 me around midnight!
You have Sheila run upstairs and shoot June before turning the gun on Nevill who has followed her upstairs after phoning JB, Nevil is then chased to the kitchen and finished off, ending up on the chair/scuttle [we both agree on this, if you care to check out my scenarios!} Presumably. you then have Sheila re-load before going back upstairs to finish off June and then kill the boys!
So yes, my scenario starts with Nevill and Sheila in the kitchen too, but around midnight! An argument of somekind ensues or Nevill simply finds Sheila with the rifle, Sheila bashes Nevill on the head/face with the rifle butt and he lands out cold with his back against the Aga.
Sheila goes upstairs and shoots June and then the boys.
Nevill regains consciousness around 3.00 and gives JB a brief call before staggering up stairs. Sheila has been writing farewell letters to her birth mother before praying and reading the bible in the main bedroom, she hears Nevill shouting out as he climbs the stairs and picks up the rifle.
Nevill is shot and returns to the kitchen to be finished off on the chair/scuttle!
So, as you can see, we 'BOTH' have Nevill ending up on the chair/scuttle where the police found him, Cutie! Right???

[Bubo bubo]

Riiight! So I guess that's what you've been doing, posting as if you were there? I hadn't actually realized there were MARKS on the Aga, though!

No. I have given many different scenarios. I call them cameos. They cover many aspects regarding the adults and what could have transpired. But I do this to show how there are many alternatives while at the same time recognising everyone's views but pointing out that there is a danger we are being deliberately misled if the police manipulated the crime scene and other evidence.

Why must we support the police narrative given their repeated refusal to release documents. The Crown narrative for this crime has been questioned by some in the legal profession. It is not just the CT

I will ignore your catty remark. I was referring to the Aga marks on NB as you know full well. You do this a lot. Give it up you sour puss.

[Cambridgecutie]

You post as if you were there??? The point is that no one knows what happened between JB leaving and the police entry. I have said it before and I will say it again. All manner of movement by the adults is possible so you can make up whatever scenario you like about what happened in this time frame. Movement of telephones etc. Even the police do not have a minute by minute record of who did what to who and when. The police can come up with a rough idea but if the police made changes to the crime scene then however much we speculate we are unlikely to work out exactly what happened.

This is one reason for the Aga MARKS to be examined.

Were the police there?  Was the trial judge there?  Was the prosecution there?  Was the defence there?  Were jurors there?  Was the pathologist there?  Were the defence experts there?  Was the FSS there?  We know no one was there!  No one needs to be there to understand what happened; its the reason soc reconstructions are carried out but in this case to date it hasn't happened.  When it does happen it will show exactly what happened and it will not include all the nonsense you post up. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh deary me, Cutie! You're yet another one who doesn't bother to read my scenarios properly!
My scenario is very similar to yours, 90% the same but just with added Aga burn evidence [ok,ok. theory]
We both have things kicking off in the kitchen, but at different times! You at 3.10 me around midnight!
You have Sheila run upstairs and shoot June before turning the gun on Nevill who has followed her upstairs after phoning JB, Nevil is then chased to the kitchen and finished off, ending up on the chair/scuttle [we both agree on this, if you care to check out my scenarios!} Presumably. you then have Sheila re-load before going back upstairs to finish off June and then kill the boys!
So yes, my scenario starts with Nevill and Sheila in the kitchen too, but around midnight! An argument of somekind ensues or Nevill simply finds Sheila with the rifle, Sheila bashes Nevill on the head/face with the rifle butt and he lands out cold with his back against the Aga.
Sheila goes upstairs and shoots June and then the boys.
Nevill regains consciousness around 3.00 and gives JB a brief call before staggering up stairs. Sheila has been writing farewell letters to her birth mother before praying and reading the bible in the main bedroom, she hears Nevill shouting out as he climbs the stairs and picks up the rifle.
Nevill is shot and returns to the kitchen to be finished off on the chair/scuttle!
So, as you can see, we 'BOTH' have Nevill ending up on the chair/scuttle where the police found him, Cutie! Right???

The above is not supported by all the known facts.

[Adam]

Thought Nevill would have used the kitchen phone to phone Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times. Rotary phones are very slow when dialling & Nevill had no time to waste.

The kitchen phone was working but mysteriously under a pile of magazines.

Nevill certainly wouldn't keep ringing if he got Jeremy's AM.

[Adam]

Sheila must have been shooting the twins when Nevill started ringing Jeremy. With June shot 5 times & Nevill shot 4 times, they were the only people left to shoot.

Cannot think of what else she could have been doing which would (perhaps) give Nevill the time to ring Jeremy on a rotary phone.

If she had chased Nevill, he would have no time.

[Adam]

Nevill must have heard Sheila coming down the stairs while he was ringing Jeremy.

Tragically he was able to make the call but not use any of the available chairs or stools to negate Sheila upon her arrival.

[Adam]

If Sheila had just gone upstairs with 11 bullets, I don't believe Nevill would have time to phone Jeremy. Sheila shooting the twins once each with bullets 10 & 11 would not take long.

Can only think Sheila went upstairs with a second cartridge. Then re loaded & shot the twins 8 times.

This would have given Nevill more time but still not much time to phone Jeremy. A very surprising choice by Nevill at 3.10am.

[Rob_]

Thought Nevill would have used the kitchen phone to phone Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times. Rotary phones are very slow when dialling & Nevill had no time to waste.

The kitchen phone was working but mysteriously under a pile of magazines.

Nevill certainly wouldn't keep ringing if he got Jeremy's AM.

Gosh Adam really! so why 999 and not 000 for a emergency call? Perhaps easier in the dark to dial 999 

[Rob_]

If Sheila had just gone upstairs with 11 bullets, I don't believe Nevill would have time to phone Jeremy. Sheila shooting the twins once each with bullets 10 & 11 would not take long.

Can only think Sheila went upstairs with a second cartridge. Then re loaded & shot the twins 8 times.

This would have given Nevill more time but still not much time to phone Jeremy. A very surprising choice by Nevill at 3.10am.

Please keep to the crime scene evidence Adam the twins were shot in one go. Not one bullet each and more latter.

[Jane]

No. I have given many different scenarios. I call them cameos. They cover many aspects regarding the adults and what could have transpired. But I do this to show how there are many alternatives while at the same time recognising everyone's views but pointing out that there is a danger we are being deliberately misled if the police manipulated the crime scene and other evidence.

Why must we support the police narrative given their repeated refusal to release documents. The Crown narrative for this crime has been questioned by some in the legal profession. It is not just the CT

I will ignore your catty remark. I was referring to the Aga marks on NB as you know full well. You do this a lot. Give it up you sour puss.

Do calm down, dear!