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[Cambridgecutie]

from the CoA judgment

"Found in or just outside the bedroom were thirteen cartridge cases. Seven would account for the shots into June Bamber, two for the wounds suffered by Sheila Caffell, leaving four cartridge cases that had been fired at Nevill Bamber."

It needs to be set against the way the rifle ejects casings: right and forwards a few feet, and the location of the perp firing the rifle. 

If the perp was stood around the entrance/exit of the main bedroom, leading onto the landing, it could potentially mean the perp was inside the bedroom firing out onto NB on the landing.

[snow66!]

Your post makes no sense? why leave the phone where sooner or latter someone will find it and think it suspicious?

Bamber must expect EP to do a very thorough search. 

   

The argument from the guilty camp regarding the phones seems to be, that if a phone was found in the main bedroom, why didn't Nevill use it instead of fleeing to the kitchen to use one?
But this is a hughly flawed and simplistic view, Rob!
If Nevill is awoken by bullets being shot into his face is he really going to sit up and reach for the bedside phone? Like hell he is, he's going to flee for his life, making a phone call wouldn't enter his head!
Now if he did manage to make it to the kitchen, maybe then it would register with him to try and phone for help when he was in relative safety awat from the front line as it were!
So why wouldn't JB just leave the rotary phone in the bedroom and leave the digital one in the kitchen off the hook? Surely there would have been nothing suspicious about that?
Its as  you say, Rob! isn't it far more suspicious moving phones about and hiding them?
No, I cant see why JB would have moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen if he was guilty! Absolutely no logic in it! only to those looking for evidence against him!

[Cambridgecutie]

The bullet casings.

Bamber managed 2 face shots from inches away without resistance. Nevill must have been in bed.

It was around 2.00am when Nevill would be sleeping.

He would be next to June, who was shot 5 times in bed.

A pre shot build up where Bamber & Nevill are in the kitchen talking, is not credible.

No one would hear Bamber come upstairs.

The defence say Nevill was shot in bed. By Sheila.

CAL says Nevill was shot in bed. By Bamber.

The totality of the physical evidence does not support NB sustaining and gunshot wounds and/or other injuries in the bedroom.

[Adam]

The argument from the guilty camp regarding the phones seems to be, that if a phone was found in the main bedroom, why didn't Nevill use it instead of fleeing to the kitchen to use one?
But this is a hughly flawed and simplistic view, Rob!
If Nevill is awoken by bullets being shot into his face is he really going to sit up and reach for the bedside phone? Like hell he is, he's going to flee for his life, making a phone call wouldn't enter his head!
Now if he did manage to make it to the kitchen, maybe then it would register with him to try and phone for help when he was in relative safety awat from the front line as it were!
So why wouldn't JB just leave the rotary phone in the bedroom and leave the digital one in the kitchen off the hook? Surely there would have been nothing suspicious about that?
Its as  you say, Rob! isn't it far more suspicious moving phones about and hiding them?
No, I cant see why JB would have moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen if he was guilty! Absolutely no logic in it! only to those looking for evidence against him!

Nevill could not use the bedroom phone after he had been shot 4 times in bed. Which is the defence narrative.

However supporters claim there was a pre shot build up with Nevill & Sheila bare footed in the kitchen. However people may ask why didn't June phone 999 from the bedroom.

[Jonathan]

The argument from the guilty camp regarding the phones seems to be, that if a phone was found in the main bedroom, why didn't Nevill use it instead of fleeing to the kitchen to use one?
But this is a hughly flawed and simplistic view, Rob!
If Nevill is awoken by bullets being shot into his face is he really going to sit up and reach for the bedside phone? Like hell he is, he's going to flee for his life, making a phone call wouldn't enter his head!
Now if he did manage to make it to the kitchen, maybe then it would register with him to try and phone for help when he was in relative safety awat from the front line as it were!
So why wouldn't JB just leave the rotary phone in the bedroom and leave the digital one in the kitchen off the hook? Surely there would have been nothing suspicious about that?
Its as  you say, Rob! isn't it far more suspicious moving phones about and hiding them?
No, I cant see why JB would have moved the bedroom phone to the kitchen if he was guilty! Absolutely no logic in it! only to those looking for evidence against him!

It's more that Nevill was never supposed to have made it downstairs - this forced Bamber to improvise - once he'd eventually killed Nevill removing the bedroom telephone to the kitchen to give a reason for Nevill being there.

Two reasons why Nevill was in the kitchen. He went down to attack Bamber who was reloading - or he went down to use the telephone while Bamber was occupied upstairs. Either will do.

[Adam]

The evidence remains -

The bedroom phone was in the kitchen. Off the hook with no blood. Next to Nevill.

The kitchen phone was in working order.

The kitchen phone was underneath a pile of magazines.

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All suspiscious.

[Cambridgecutie]

It's more that Nevill was never supposed to have made it downstairs - this forced Bamber to improvise - once he'd eventually killed Nevill removing the bedroom telephone to the kitchen to give a reason for Nevill being there.

Two reasons why Nevill was in the kitchen. He went down to attack Bamber who was reloading - or he went down to use the telephone while Bamber was occupied upstairs. Either will do.

Has it occured to you that NB might have been downstairs phoning JB before any shots were fired hence the receiver off the cradle and no blood on the phone?

[Adam]

The totality of the physical evidence does not support NB sustaining and gunshot wounds and/or other injuries in the bedroom.

Even the defence do not suggest there was a pre shot escalation with a bare footed Nevill & Sheila downstairs. Not credible as Nevill would stop any escalation & Sheila could not function. 

Both Nevill and June were shot 9 times in/by there bed.

[Cambridgecutie]

Even the defence do not suggest there was a pre shot escalation with a bare footed Nevill & Sheila downstairs. Not credible as Nevill would stop any escalation & Sheila could not function. 

Both Nevill and June were shot 9 times in/by there bed.

The physical evidence does not support this.

[Adam]

Has it occured to you that NB might have been downstairs phoning JB before any shots were fired hence the receiver off the cradle and no blood on the phone?

This is not credible & cannot be presented at trial or to the CCRC/COA.

It is inventing.

The defence/supporters have to start from the first evidence - June and Nevill shot 9 times in/by there bed.

[snow66!]

Nevill could not use the bedroom phone after he had been shot 4 times in bed. Which is the defence narrative.

However supporters claim there was a pre shot build up with Nevill & Sheila bare footed in the kitchen. However people may ask why didn't June phone 999 from the bedroom.

Do you mean they would ask why June didn't phone after she was shot? Well it would just be argued that a severely injured June didn't make it round to the phone in time before Sheila had re-loaded the rifle and returned to finish her off! Easily covered, Adam!

[Adam]

Do you mean they would ask why June didn't phone after she was shot? Well it would just be argued that a severely injured June didn't make it round to the phone in time before Sheila had re-loaded the rifle and returned to finish her off! Easily covered, Adam!

If there was this escalation in the kitchen supporters keep inventing, a fully fit June could ring 999 on the bedroom phone.

Which is why Bamber put that phone in the kitchen.

[Jonathan]

Has it occured to you that NB might have been downstairs phoning JB before any shots were fired hence the receiver off the cradle and no blood on the phone?

So Nevill made the call, went back upstairs, got shot 4 times, then went back downstairs again.

[Adam]

So Nevill made the call, went back upstairs, got shot 4 times, then went back downstairs again.

Sheila caught him by surprise.After he had rang Bamber & seen her go crazy & upstairs with a rifle!

[Adam]

So Nevill made the call, went back upstairs, got shot 4 times, then went back downstairs again.

This is inventing. But supporters refuse to accept the defence narrative which starts at the evidence - June and Nevill shot 9 times in/by there bed.