Colour of burns

[snow66!]

Not sure if the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back has been discussed before or not?
Anyway, I asked Grok about burns with a heated object and while there is little difference how quickly they form on a living or dead body the colour of them might indicate when they happened!
According to Grok, burns that occurr after death appear drier, paler and yellowish in colour.
But as we can see, the burns to Nevill's back appear to be dark purple, almost black!
Thing is, at the time of the trial it was just assumed that the burns had occurred before death, either by prodding, torture, or whatever, so there would have been no need really to question 'when' they happened, would there? And the colour certainly indicates pre-mortem burns, well according to Grok anyway!
So!! This will be another question for Professor Peter Vanezis and others!
 In their professional opinions, judging by the colour of the three burns to Nevill's back, did they happen before or after death??

[Jonathan]

Never mind the colour how can Nevill have lain against the handle in such a way as to cause those marks? He would have to have been lying horizontal and the handle is much too high from the floor.

[snow66!]

Never mind the colour how can Nevill have lain against the handle in such a way as to cause those marks? He would have to have been lying horizontal and the handle is much too high from the floor.

Why horizontal, Jonathan? Why not a slight incline?
Besides, Boyce didn't seem to have a problem with all three points of the Aga touching Nevill's back, he commented on this in his video remember?

[Rob_]

Never mind the colour how can Nevill have lain against the handle in such a way as to cause those marks? He would have to have been lying horizontal and the handle is much too high from the floor.

I have always thought Nevil lying horizontal is the only way the burns could have occurred, the dimensions of the handle look about right to me?

Aga height 33" to 36" a mans shoulders around 19 to 22" and Nevil was very tall.

[Jonathan]

Why horizontal, Jonathan? Why not a slight incline?
Besides, Boyce didn't seem to have a problem with all three points of the Aga touching Nevill's back, he commented on this in his video remember?

Where exactly on Nevill do you think the marks were?

[snow66!]

Where exactly on Nevill do you think the marks were?

Well the top mark was more or less in line with the top of Nevills shoulders, and almost central I believe!


                     

[Adam]

The knobs on the aga are too high for the back of Nevill's neck to reach.

The outside of the aga door would be cold.

The CCRC cannot investigate an invented 3 hour scenario suggestion.

[Jane]

Never mind the colour how can Nevill have lain against the handle in such a way as to cause those marks? He would have to have been lying horizontal and the handle is much too high from the floor.

The best -and the only- conclusion Boyce could claim was that IF the Aga was heated to a certain temperature, and IF a body of a certain age, weight, and height was lain, horizontally, in front of it, it's possible that certain marks MAY occur. But it requires quite a few IFs to fall into place.

[snow66!]

The best -and the only- conclusion Boyce could claim was that IF the Aga was heated to a certain temperature, and IF a body of a certain age, weight, and height was lain, horizontally, in front of it, it's possible that certain marks MAY occur. But it requires quite a few IFs to fall into place.

Once your Aga is up to full heat, how long will it stay at that temperature before re-fueling, Jane?

[Jane]

Once your Aga is up to full heat, how long will it stay at that temperature before re-fueling, Jane?

Ours is oil-fired so the temperature is constant until such time as the oil runs out! However, having said that, much depends on how much use it's been put to! If the hot plate domes are left in position no heat will be lost. It's also possible to adjust the heat settings from a box located at the back of a cupboard.

Of course, the most sensible course of action would be to let the oil run out over the summer months, but the Aga is our only means of cooking.

[snow66!]

Ours is oil-fired so the temperature is constant until such time as the oil runs out! However, having said that, much depends on how much use it's been put to! If the hot plate domes are left in position no heat will be lost. It's also possible to adjust the heat settings from a box located at the back of a cupboard.

Of course, the most sensible course of action would be to let the oil run out over the summer months, but the Aga is our only means of cooking.

OK thanks for the info, Jane!
But obviously I want to know how long the Bamber Aga woud have remained at 'constant' on the night of the murders? Would it be all night if the Aga was filled with coal around bedtime?

[Jane]

OK thanks for the info, Jane!
But obviously I want to know how long the Bamber Aga woud have remained at 'constant' on the night of the murders? Would it be all night if the Aga was filled with coal around bedtime?

Why would anyone bank up an Aga, or any other type of heating/cooking, to run at full tilt, all night, at the height of summer? Such can surely only be unnecessary wastage?

[snow66!]

Why would anyone bank up an Aga, or any other type of heating/cooking, to run at full tilt, all night, at the height of summer? Such can surely only be unnecessary wastage?

Well lets just presume the Bambers did stoke the fire for some reason before going to bed, Jane!
How long would it remain at a constant temperature?

[Jane]

Well lets just presume the Bambers did stoke the fire for some reason before going to bed, Jane!
How long would it remain at a constant temperature?

Well, for your theory to work, I guess they have to, don't they? But truly, I can honestly NOT think of a reason they would. WHY would they? They'd have an emersion, because those of us with Aga's do. They had alternative means of cooking. Had it been winter, it might have been a different story.

[Steve_uk]

Do you think it was Jeremy's intention to kill his parents in the bedroom with no reload? Might Sheila have reacted differently had she seen the plight of her father?