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Offline Jonathan

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R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« on: December 15, 2025, 11:16:AM »
Apologies if this has already been posted - if it has been I was unable to find it.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2025, 01:29:PM »
Apologies if this has already been posted - if it has been I was unable to find it.


Thank-you for reminding supporters that JB was given, not just a 25 year sentence, but a MINIMUM of 25 years.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2025, 10:12:PM »
Apologies if this has already been posted - if it has been I was unable to find it.
Thanks for posting Jonathan; it's quite a find. Someone mentioned the 1989 appeal years ago, but heretofore it hasn't been published on the forum.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2025, 11:00:PM »

Thank-you for reminding supporters that JB was given, not just a 25 year sentence, but a MINIMUM of 25 years.

Why do we need reminding of the sentence Jane? If guilty obviously JB should never get out.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2025, 11:41:PM »
Why do we need reminding of the sentence Jane? If guilty obviously JB should never get out.

Because certain supporters say that he should have got out after 25 years because that was his original sentence.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2025, 10:11:AM »
He got life with a minimum of 25 years.

There's no way had the original sentence stood he would have got out in 2010. No Offence work done maintaining innocence. Lifers serve often well over.

Having said that I don't believe the sentence should have been changed. Disrespectful to the judiciary.
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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2025, 10:54:AM »
He got life with a minimum of 25 years.

There's no way had the original sentence stood he would have got out in 2010. No Offence work done maintaining innocence. Lifers serve often well over.

Having said that I don't believe the sentence should have been changed. Disrespectful to the judiciary.

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The legislative background
In view of the submissions addressed to the court on behalf of the applicant we must briefly remind ourselves of the sentencing framework which applied at the date of conviction. Section 1(1) of the Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 provided that the sentence for murder was a mandatory sentence of imprisonment for life. By section 1(2) the court was empowered to "declare the period which it recommends" as the minimum period which should elapse before the release of the prisoner should be ordered. Two specific points relevant to the present and similar applications require emphasis. First, the recommendation was never intended to be and never was more than a recommendation, and it is plain that although the Secretary of State was required and would wish to attend to it, he was not bound by it. Second, it was never understood that every mandatory sentence of life imprisonment should automatically be regarded as a whole life sentence: subject to issues of public safety, the possibility of an eventual release was implicit in the vast majority of such cases. Subsequent sentencing enactments governed the exercise of the power of the Secretary of State to decide the time when the convicted murderer could, notwithstanding the mandatory sentence, be released from custody. That responsibility continued to be vested exclusively in the Secretary of State, and not the judiciary.

In 1986 therefore, the trial judge was enabled to make a recommendation about the minimum period which should elapse before the offender might be released on licence. His assessment was case specific, based on his judgment of the true level of the defendant's culpability and the immediate and individual circumstances of the case. His recommendation reflected his view about the "actual length of detention necessary to meet the requirements of retribution and general deterrence". The Lord Chief Justice was similarly involved in the process, but he was involved in each and every such case. In making his recommendation the Lord Chief Justice was removed from the immediate circumstances of the individual case, but basing himself on the report prepared by the trial judge for the Secretary of State, and his much wider, nationwide responsibilities, his recommendation ensured both appropriate oversight and consistency of approach to the assessment of the tariff period. Neither the trial judge nor the Lord Chief Justice decided the length of the period to be served by the offender for the purposes of retribution and general deterrence. Their role was advisory.

In the present case, following conviction, Drake J imposed the mandatory sentence of life imprisonment on each count of murder. In his sentencing remarks he recommended that a minimum of 25 years should be spent in prison. According to a contemporaneous newspaper report the judge stated

    "I have to consider when I think it is likely to let you live in the community. But I think it is difficult to foresee whether it will ever be safe to release into the community someone who can shoot and kill five members of his own family, including two little boys asleep in their beds
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That observation would not have been before the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Lane.
Consistently with practice, Drake J wrote subsequently to the Secretary of State setting out his assessment of the case and his views about the length of detention necessary to meet "the requirements of retribution and general deterrence". His assessment of the case was that this was an "exceptionally monstrous crime". He drew particular attention to the way in which the applicant had decided to throw suspicions on to his sister, and how the plan very nearly led "to him escaping detection". He then commented that "when I made the recommendation in court I emphasised that it was 25 years as a minimum" (his underlining).

Shortly afterwards Lord Lane, again in accordance with practice, and writing on the same document as that signed by Drake J, expressed himself in these terms: "I agree with Drake J, adding that for my part I would never release him". (Again, his underlining). It is suggested on the applicant's behalf that Lord Lane was indicating his agreement which Drake J's recommendation, and not, as Tugendhat J concluded, recommending a whole life tariff.

We disagree. It is quite clear to us, as it was to Tugendhat J, that while Lord Lane indicated his agreement with Drake J's assessment of the crime as "exceptionally monstrous", when he was addressing the minimum period which he was recommending, he was deliberately emphasising that his recommendation was that the applicant should never be released. If he had been agreeing that the 25 year minimum recommendation made by Drake J was appropriate, he would have confined himself to the words "I agree with Drake J", or even, "I agree", or, simply "25 years". The additional words he used expressly indicated that his view about the minimum term did not coincide with that of Drake J, and that even as a "minimum", 25 years was an inadequate punitive term. Lord Lane's recommendation was that the appellant should "never" be released. The Secretary of State was thus provided with two judicial recommendations. He was entitled to choose between them, or to adopt neither of them.

In 1988, the Secretary of State, in agreement with the Lord Chief Justice, ordered that the applicant should be subject to a "whole life tariff".

On 15 December 1994, in accordance with the practice laid down by the House of Lords in Doody [1994] 1AC 531, the applicant was informed that the Secretary of State had concluded that "the requirements of retribution and deterrence could only be satisfied by you remaining in prison for the whole of your life". As far as we are aware, and after investigation by Mr Horwell with his client it is apparent that there was no response to an indication in the letter that the Secretary of State would be willing to entertain written representations by or on behalf of the application about the whole life tariff, but whether such representations were received or not, the whole life order was not varied. There the matter appeared to rest. "

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2025, 11:05:AM »
I think Bamber would conformed to his prison requirements had it not been changed to life without Parole, what’s he got to lose now compared to what he had to lose is a big difference.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2025, 11:13:AM »
I think Bamber would conformed to his prison requirements had it not been changed to life without Parole, what’s he got to lose now compared to what he had to lose is a big difference.

It's one of the great unknowns in this case - with the incentive of possibly leaving prison after 25 years would Bamber have made a confession, expressed remorse and conformed to rehabilitation.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2025, 11:25:AM »
It's one of the great unknowns in this case - with the incentive of possibly leaving prison after 25 years would Bamber have made a confession, expressed remorse and conformed to rehabilitation.
A prisoner doesn’t always have to confess to get parole after serving his sentence, it’s usually when they are getting early release.   It does make it harder if they don’t I agree,   In Bamber case, I would think even after the initial 25 years sentence, somewhere after he would get release, I would think it would go on risk and not confession?

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2025, 11:37:AM »
A prisoner doesn’t always have to confess to get parole after serving his sentence, it’s usually when they are getting early release.   It does make it harder if they don’t I agree,   In Bamber case, I would think even after the initial 25 years sentence, somewhere after he would get release, I would think it would go on risk and not confession?
Yes, Luke Mitchell is at that stage now, HB.
Eligible for parole but protests his innocence.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2025, 11:44:AM »
Yes, Luke Mitchell is at that stage now, HB.
Eligible for parole but protests his innocence.
Oh I didn’t know that Snow,  keep us informed. There’s no legal requirement to admit Guilt to get released.

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2025, 12:18:PM »
Oh I didn’t know that Snow,  keep us informed. There’s no legal requirement to admit Guilt to get released.
He was denied parole last April or thereabouts I believe, deemed to be a threat to women, HB!
His campaign team are fund raising at the moment too, to pay for a new legal team who will hopefully find exonerating evidence via testing of remaining samples or such!

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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2025, 01:57:PM »
A prisoner doesn’t always have to confess to get parole after serving his sentence, it’s usually when they are getting early release.   It does make it harder if they don’t I agree,   In Bamber case, I would think even after the initial 25 years sentence, somewhere after he would get release, I would think it would go on risk and not confession?

In the old days they termed it IDOM.

Lifers are expected to do course related to offence related work etc, I can imagine the regime for Jeremy Bamber and others protesting innocence hasn't been an easy ride. The prison system sees the verdict as gospel.
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Re: R v Jeremy Nevill Bamber - Monday, 20th March, 1989
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2025, 03:10:PM »
He was denied parole last April or thereabouts I believe, deemed to be a threat to women, HB!
His campaign team are fund raising at the moment too, to pay for a new legal team who will hopefully find exonerating evidence via testing of remaining samples or such!
Does he have a Aga Snow  ;D.  No,  how long has he been in now Snow, and when can he apply for Parole again?