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Offline Cambridgecutie

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2025, 07:03:PM »
The most plausible explanation for the silencer is -

Bamber used it for a silent massacre attempt.

The rifle scratched the aga during the huge kitchen attack.

The silencer aquired a scratched during the huge kitchen attack.

A hair attached to the silencer when Nevill was being shot in the head.

Sheila's blood went into the aga when she received 1/2 contact shots in an area of high blood flow.

The silencer was taken off after shooting Sheila as she could not shoot herself with it on.

The silencer was put away in it's usual place away from the crime scene when Bamber went downstairs.

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Understand why Bamber has focused on the silencer since the mid 90's as the relatives found it.

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2025, 07:59:PM »
Ha ha, another one bites the dust,  she’s used more names than a Con artists Passport.

Bit warped having one person create the CC, Curiosity & Jonathan profiles. Then talk to herself.

Bit weird her being allowed to as well. Roch started creating threads against me because I was creating threads on the case!
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2025, 08:10:PM »
Bit warped having one person create the CC, Curiosity & Jonathan profiles. Then talk to herself.

Bit weird her being allowed to as well. Roch started creating threads against me because I was creating threads on the case!

I agree.

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2025, 08:59:PM »
Bit warped having one person create the CC, Curiosity & Jonathan profiles. Then talk to herself.

Bit weird her being allowed to as well. Roch started creating threads against me because I was creating threads on the case!
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2025, 09:04:PM »
Bit warped having one person create the CC, Curiosity & Jonathan profiles. Then talk to herself.

Bit weird her being allowed to as well. Roch started creating threads against me because I was creating threads on the case!

I'm not anyone else thank you.

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2025, 10:53:AM »
Bit warped having one person create the CC, Curiosity & Jonathan profiles. Then talk to herself.

Bit weird her being allowed to as well. Roch started creating threads against me because I was creating threads on the case!

Yes it could be described as 'warped' if one person creates multiple profiles and then effectively talks to themself but it is not something I have ever done so no idea why you are accusing me of such!?
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2025, 10:55:AM »
The most plausible explanation for the silencer is -

Bamber used it for a silent massacre attempt.

The rifle scratched the aga during the huge kitchen attack.

The silencer aquired a scratched during the huge kitchen attack.

A hair attached to the silencer when Nevill was being shot in the head.

Sheila's blood went into the silencer when she received 1/2 contact shots in an area of high blood flow.

The silencer was taken off after shooting Sheila as she could not shoot herself with it on.

The silencer was put away in it's usual place away from the crime scene when Bamber went downstairs.

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Understand why Bamber has focused on the silencer since the mid 90's as the relatives found it.

The most plausible explanation for the silencer is that it was not on the rifle when JB used it 6th Aug and it never left the cupboard under the stairs.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2025, 10:59:AM »
I agree.

You are not in a position to refer to others as 'warped' given your theory about the blood supposedly found inside the silencer: AE contaminated the silencer with water from a bucket containing SC's menstrual stained knickers (by David1819)
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2025, 11:09:AM »
The most plausible explanation for the silencer is that it was not on the rifle when JB used it 6th Aug and it never left the cupboard under the stairs.

Hopefully Jonathan will give his view soon. He said earlier this week the silencer was not important.
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2025, 11:18:AM »
Hopefully Jonathan will give his view soon. He said earlier this week the silencer was not important.

I wonder how much the phalloplasty came to?

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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2025, 11:21:AM »
Hopefully Jonathan will give his view soon. He said earlier this week the silencer was not important.

The silencer is by far the most important aspect of the case.  In fact in reality it is the only aspect that holds any importance as far as the courts are concerned.  The trial judge told jurors they could convict on this alone:

The summing up 153. When Drake J. summed up to the jury, he suggested that there were three "crucial questions". The first, and he made clear that they were not in any order of importance, was whether they believed Julie Mugford? If they were sure that she had told the truth it meant the appellant had planned and carried out the killings. The second was whether they were sure that Sheila Caffell did not kill the members of her family and then commit suicide? The third was whether there was a telephone call in the middle of the night from Nevill Bamber to his son? If there was no such call then it inevitably undermined the whole of the appellant's story and he could have had no reason to have invented it, save to cover up his responsibility for the murders.

154. In dealing with the second question, whether Sheila Caffell may have killed the others and then committed suicide, the judge made clear that answering this question involved a number of different considerations. He suggested that one was "clearly of paramount importance", namely whether the second and fatal shot to Sheila Caffell was fired with the silencer on. If it was, she could not have fired that shot. He made clear that there were other considerations and the jury could come to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell did not carry out the killings "even without reference to the sound moderator". He added that the evidence relating to the sound moderator could, however, "on its own" lead them to conclude that the appellant was guilty.


The silencer was the reason the CCRC referred to CoA in 2002:

Ground 15 is the sole ground upon which this case was referred to the Court by the CCRC. It is based upon the testing of the sound moderator for DNA, a technique that was not available at trial.
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2025, 11:26:AM »
The silencer is by far the most important aspect of the case.  In fact in reality it is the only aspect that holds any importance as far as the courts are concerned.  The trial judge told jurors they could convict on this alone:

The summing up 153. When Drake J. summed up to the jury, he suggested that there were three "crucial questions". The first, and he made clear that they were not in any order of importance, was whether they believed Julie Mugford? If they were sure that she had told the truth it meant the appellant had planned and carried out the killings. The second was whether they were sure that Sheila Caffell did not kill the members of her family and then commit suicide? The third was whether there was a telephone call in the middle of the night from Nevill Bamber to his son? If there was no such call then it inevitably undermined the whole of the appellant's story and he could have had no reason to have invented it, save to cover up his responsibility for the murders.

154. In dealing with the second question, whether Sheila Caffell may have killed the others and then committed suicide, the judge made clear that answering this question involved a number of different considerations. He suggested that one was "clearly of paramount importance", namely whether the second and fatal shot to Sheila Caffell was fired with the silencer on. If it was, she could not have fired that shot. He made clear that there were other considerations and the jury could come to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell did not carry out the killings "even without reference to the sound moderator". He added that the evidence relating to the sound moderator could, however, "on its own" lead them to conclude that the appellant was guilty.


The silencer was the reason the CCRC referred to CoA in 2002:

Ground 15 is the sole ground upon which this case was referred to the Court by the CCRC. It is based upon the testing of the sound moderator for DNA, a technique that was not available at trial.

So you disagree with Jonathan.

He also said the burn marks and answering machine were not important. Although the burn marks have been submission grounds to the CCRC in 2012 & 2021.
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2025, 11:27:AM »
I wonder how much the phalloplasty came to?

I had to look up phalloplasty.  The fact if features in your vocabularly says more about you than anyone else! 

What evidence exists that I am Curiosity and/or Jonathan?  None other than your delusions. 
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2025, 11:44:AM »
So you disagree with Jonathan.

He also said the burn marks and answering machine were not important. Although the burn marks have been submission grounds to the CCRC in 2012 & 2021.

I disagree with anyone who states the silencer is not important when clearly it is by far the most important aspect and JB's only chance of an appeal hearing.   

There was no definitive evidence at trial that the marks on NB's back were burns and an answering machine did not feature at trial at all.  So how can 'burns' and an answering machine be in any way relevant? 
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Re: What documentation is being withheld which could benefit Jeremy?
« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2025, 11:45:AM »
Johnathan sounds a bit like an old Red poster who has decided to join Blue.