Funding to challenge CCRC decision

[Roch]

But I appreciate that conspiracy theorists want to fixate on alleged police malfeasance as it's their bread and butter.

Nevill's crime scene aside, is it possible for wrongful convictions to take place without malfeasance being involved somewhere within the journey from arrest to conviction?

[BarefootDanC]

Nevill's crime scene aside, is it possible for wrongful convictions to take place without malfeasance being involved somewhere within the journey from arrest to conviction?

Yes. The expert biology witness said there was a "remote possibility" that the blood could be mixture of the parents blood.

Based on that, there is a very small probability that Sheila could have shot everyone and got the parents blood in it, although that would involve her tidying away the moderator into the gun cupboard rather than dropping it next to her (when she realised it was too long to shoot herself with it on).

It would also require Julie Mugford to be lying and for the house mates to be wrong about when Jeremy called Julie and several other things.

[Jonathan]

Nevill's crime scene aside, is it possible for wrongful convictions to take place without malfeasance being involved somewhere within the journey from arrest to conviction?

yes it's often a feature of miscarriages of justice that evidence was simply not available for the trial - perhaps because science has advanced since the convictions, or an unknown witness comes forward etc, etc,

[snow66!]

Snow you should press the CT on this. I can't because I don't agree with your theory. But your theory is supportive of Sheila being the killer. The moving Nevill theory is hopeless because is does not undermine the prosecution case.

But I appreciate that conspiracy theorists want to fixate on alleged police malfeasance as it's their bread and butter.

Yes, the police moving Nevill does nothing to prove JBs innocence as far as I can see Jonathan!
In fact it fits in nicely with JB being the killer according to their timings.
You see, they say the burns would have taken at least 4hrs to form but possibly five or more, so this fits in with JB killing Nevill and then leaving about half past two, hence Nevill lay against the Aga for five hours before the police entered, ie.,2.30-7.30.
On the other hand, a guilty Sheila scenario only allows for Nevill lying against the Aga for 4hrs max, ie,3.30-7.30.

[Rob_]

Yes, the police moving Nevill does nothing to prove JBs innocence as far as I can see Jonathan!
In fact it fits in nicely with JB being the killer according to their timings.
You see, they say the burns would have taken at least 4hrs to form but possibly five or more, so this fits in with JB killing Nevill and then leaving about half past two, hence Nevill lay against the Aga for five hours before the police entered, ie.,2.30-7.30.
On the other hand, a guilty Sheila scenario only allows for Nevill lying against the Aga for 4hrs max, ie,3.30-7.30.

I am not sure I agree with that Snow? If the police moved Nevil then the whole crime scene is compromised.

It means nothing we see/read in the crime scene photos / statements can be trusted.   

[Jonathan]

Yes, the police moving Nevill does nothing to prove JBs innocence as far as I can see Jonathan!
In fact it fits in nicely with JB being the killer according to their timings.
You see, they say the burns would have taken at least 4hrs to form but possibly five or more, so this fits in with JB killing Nevill and then leaving about half past two, hence Nevill lay against the Aga for five hours before the police entered, ie.,2.30-7.30.
On the other hand, a guilty Sheila scenario only allows for Nevill lying against the Aga for 4hrs max, ie,3.30-7.30.

so the "possibly five or more" actually strengthens the case against JB. Whose side are they on again?

[snow66!]

I am not sure I agree with that Snow? If the police moved Nevil then the whole crime scene is compromised.

It means nothing we see/read in the crime scene photos / statements can be trusted.

Yes thats also true, Rob! And this seems to be the route that JB and his team are taking!
Lets hope it works!

[snow66!]

so the "possibly five or more" actually strengthens the case against JB. Whose side are they on again?

Well as Rob said, Jonathan, JB is concentrating on the police moving Nevill to prove the conviction is unsafe!
Whether unsafe means innocent is another matter?

[Jane]

Well as Rob said, Jonathan, JB is concentrating on the police moving Nevill to prove the conviction is unsafe!
Whether unsafe means innocent is another matter?

I imagine there to be a chasm of difference!

[snow66!]

I imagine there to be a chasm of difference!

Well it seems their proof of innocence is the Milbank phone call which will be looked at by the CCRC  again next month, Jane!
Or however the so called challenge works!

[Bubo bubo]

Yes, the police moving Nevill does nothing to prove JBs innocence as far as I can see Jonathan!
In fact it fits in nicely with JB being the killer according to their timings.
You see, they say the burns would have taken at least 4hrs to form but possibly five or more, so this fits in with JB killing Nevill and then leaving about half past two, hence Nevill lay against the Aga for five hours before the police entered, ie.,2.30-7.30.
On the other hand, a guilty Sheila scenario only allows for Nevill lying against the Aga for 4hrs max, ie,3.30-7.30.

You are making too many assumptions my friend. 4 Hours would be the minimum time if he was moved as soon as they entered. The SOC team did not enter till 10.00 am. That makes it six hours 30 minutes and if they moved him last it could be that it was even longer. Also we do not know whether the time changes in some way if the body is dead as opposed to alive.

[snow66!]

You are making too many assumptions my friend. 4 Hours would be the minimum time if he was moved as soon as they entered. The SOC team did not enter till 10.00 am. That makes it six hours 30 minutes and if they moved him last it could be that it was even longer. Also we do not know whether the time changes in some way if the body is dead as opposed to alive.

Yes, thats true, Bubo! Nevill may have been moved at any time prior to the photos being taken!

[Adam]

Yes, thats true, Bubo! Nevill may have been moved at any time prior to the photos being taken!

The first people to enter were the Raid Team. There WS's say Nevill's head was in a coal scuttle.

The CT better get a move on in getting a Raid Team officer to retract. Some may have died.

[Adam]

It looks like there is not another Millbank within the Raid Team. Or anyone else who entered WHF pre crime scene photos.

No one has said Nevill was moved.

[Steve_uk]

The first people to enter were the Raid Team. There WS's say Nevill's head was in a coal scuttle.

The CT better get a move on in getting a Raid Team officer to retract. Some may have died.

Was it PC Woodcock who peered through the window and was the first to see Nevill with head inside a coal scuttle? Wasn't there something about him being propped up against a door as well?