Nick Milbank confirms that Jeremy Bamber is innocent

[Bubo bubo]

So could it be, Sheila two calls 5.47 am 6.09am and says nothing, or Neville three abandoned calls one with contact and two saying nothing,  or June two calls and says nothing, or who ever could get to the Phone?

A childish response that is not worthy of you. I prefer your well presented argumentative style.

He must have known there was a difference to call for a line check.

[Hardy Boy]

But off the hook and engaged are not synonyms. Small and little are because they roughly mean the same thing. West would have realised that there was a difference after the first call unless he already knew there was a difference. You do him a disservice.

Well to me Engaged and off the hook are similar, if it’s of the hook it could be engaged by someone using it. 

[Hardy Boy]

A childish response that is not worthy of you. I prefer your well presented argumentative style.

He must have known there was a difference to call for a line check.

Its not me who is throwing all these different permutations in,  it’s you and now Rob.  If Sheila rang at 5.47 and said nothing who rang twenty minutes later at 6.09 am and said nothing?  The argument is, there was a 999 call at 6.09 am.

[Bubo bubo]

Its not me who is throwing all these different permutations in,  it’s you and now Rob.  If Sheila rang at 5.47 and said nothing who rang twenty minutes later at 6.09 am and said nothing?  The argument is, there was a 999 call at 6.09 am.

I think the 06.09am record became the starting point because of the Stokenchurch enquiry. They had documentation which mentions a 999 call. It then became named as the focal point rather than the 05.47 engaged reading in the log. Even if they saw the log entry it continued to be talked about as the 999 call. There are documented records that refer to a 999 call. Events are often given names that 'chime' even though they are not the genesis of the event

[Hardy Boy]

It seems to me that JR was suffering from a selective memory disorder. She remembers 2 calls, what about the first one from West at 03.42. She omits to say anything about a 999 call but remembers that she could not interfere with the Direct Emergency service line (surely this is the 999 system). She did not tell the police that the line status had changed to engaged. She did not say she had been asked to monitor the line and report anything she heard. She left at 08.00am and says that the police were still monitoring the line at that time but forgot that she was told to close the line at 07.48am as stated in the log

For me her statement is a fake. It is inconsistent with other contemporaneous records and smacks of an attempt to disguise the fact there was a 999 call at around 05.47am.

For me her  statement and those of Burrell and Milbank (As he inferred before retraction) were faked.

I honestly don’t know how you can say that the statements were faked, when there are logs to prove that these requests were made anyway, you have researched it like the New Yorker and not studied the full facts, or you’ve nit purposely reported the full facts as might be the case with the New Yorker.

If your going to claim  something at least give the full facts!

From the Logs WEST

6.06am. GPO to switch house phone to HQIR via 9 system.

IR (information room)

6.09am  open 999 line set up (direct) to the house with phone off hook.

Was this faked as well do you think?

[Hardy Boy]

I honestly don’t know how you can say that the statements were faked, when there are logs to prove that these requests were made anyway, you have researched it like the New Yorker and not studied the full facts, or you’ve nit purposely reported the full facts as might be the case with the New Yorker.

If your going to claim  something at least give the full facts!

From the Logs WEST

6.06am. GPO to switch house phone to HQIR via 9 system.

IR (information room)

6.09am  open 999 line set up (direct) to the house with phone off hook.

Was this faked as well do you think?

I still say you left out the West log showing that there was record of GPO switching the house phone to HQIR via 9 System.

[Bubo bubo]

I still say you left out the West log showing that there was record of GPO switching the house phone to HQIR via 9 System.

To my knowledge there is no '9' system. I have taken the view that some of the text was lost when MT copied it. Some people have suggested to mike ( RIP) to get a new scanner because there are many examples of difficult to read documents. It would be good if the CT had a better copy and posted it. In Mike's defence he has copied hundreds of documents for the benefit of board members and some may well be copies of copies and this can mean that bits go missing.

[Bubo bubo]

To my knowledge there is no '9' system. I have taken the view that some of the text was lost when MT copied it. Some people have suggested to mike ( RIP) to get a new scanner because there are many examples of difficult to read documents. It would be good if the CT had a better copy and posted it. In Mike's defence he has copied hundreds of documents for the benefit of board members and some may well be copies of copies and this can mean that bits go missing.

It is clear that bits are missing or distorted and there are some where the loss is not total and there are remains but you can deduce the words from what is left. This effect is repeated in other parts of this log and other documents. The times are almost missing in some parts.

[Bubo bubo]

I honestly don’t know how you can say that the statements were faked, when there are logs to prove that these requests were made anyway, you have researched it like the New Yorker and not studied the full facts, or you’ve nit purposely reported the full facts as might be the case with the New Yorker.

If your going to claim  something at least give the full facts!

From the Logs WEST

6.06am. GPO to switch house phone to HQIR via 9 system.

IR (information room)

6.09am  open 999 line set up (direct) to the house with phone off hook.

Was this faked as well do you think?

I have already given my views on this part of the log earlier. However, I feel I should elaborate my view on the Burrell and Rowe statements being fakes. I think they were doctored to give the impression that there was no 999 call and whilst there are some inconsistencies in their own right in both, in taking this action they have created further inconsistencies with the logs. Once again neither statement is signed.

[Hardy Boy]

To my knowledge there is no '9' system. I have taken the view that some of the text was lost when MT copied it. Some people have suggested to mike ( RIP) to get a new scanner because there are many examples of difficult to read documents. It would be good if the CT had a better copy and posted it. In Mike's defence he has copied hundreds of documents for the benefit of board members and some may well be copies of copies and this can mean that bits go missing.

I Don’t  think there is anything in it,  When West said “9 system,” he might simply be using the  shorthand that police probably used in the 1980s for the 999 emergency system—both would mean the same thing I would have thought.

It goes without saying that it corresponds with the timing for the request to put WHF telephone through to the 999 system

[Hardy Boy]

I have already given my views on this part of the log earlier. However, I feel I should elaborate my view on the Burrell and Rowe statements being fakes. I think they were doctored to give the impression that there was no 999 call and whilst there are some inconsistencies in their own right in both, in taking this action they have created further inconsistencies with the logs. Once again neither log is signed.

Do you think the Logs are fake as well?

[Hardy Boy]

I have already given my views on this part of the log earlier. However, I feel I should elaborate my view on the Burrell and Rowe statements being fakes. I think they were doctored to give the impression that there was no 999 call and whilst there are some inconsistencies in their own right in both, in taking this action they have created further inconsistencies with the logs. Once again neither log is signed.

Here you go again, how many times do you have to be told,  the signature  page will be stored separately and not given to the Public.   Because you claim they are fake, please tell us WHO altered them, does Jean Rowe know and agree and does inspector Burrell know and agree, was it all done with their say so?  I’m shifting the Burden off Proof to you now, what part of the WHF statements are not faked?   If you’ve already decided any evidence is fake, then we’re not having a real discussion, no point engaging and not wasting my time.

[Hardy Boy]

 It’s  a common way that Bubo uses when his arguments are lost, he’s lost because the Jean Rowe and inspector Burrell statements along with back up police logs prove without doubt that there was no 999 call from WHF.


If  the documents are fake… and the inconsistencies created by the supposed faking are also fake… and the lack of signatures is definitely fake too. Its amazing how everything is FAKE except the part he happens to believe.”


The Evidence

The phone inside White House Farm never made a 999 call.
Two people who were directly involved at the time—GPO operator Jean Rowe and Inspector Burrell—both said the same thing in their  statements: the phone was simply off the hook, and Rowe connected it to the police 999 line herself because the police asked her to.

This means the police were listening to an open phone line, not to a 999 call made by anyone in the house.

[Rob_]

It’s  a common way that Bubo uses when his arguments are lost, he’s lost because the Jean Rowe and inspector Burrell statements along with back up police logs prove without doubt that there was no 999 call from WHF.


If  the documents are fake… and the inconsistencies created by the supposed faking are also fake… and the lack of signatures is definitely fake too. Its amazing how everything is FAKE except the part he happens to believe.”


The Evidence

The phone inside White House Farm never made a 999 call.
Two people who were directly involved at the time—GPO operator Jean Rowe and Inspector Burrell—both said the same thing in their  statements: the phone was simply off the hook, and Rowe connected it to the police 999 line herself because the police asked her to.

This means the police were listening to an open phone line, not to a 999 call made by anyone in the house.

Jean Rowe says she was not allowed to connect using the emergency line so the way I read her statement is that she rang police HQ on a normal number then made the connection that way?

West says "via 9 system" which following what Bill posted is the emergency line? Milbank obviously thought the call was on the emergency line as well.

[Hardy Boy]

Jean Rowe says she was not allowed to connect using the emergency line so the way I read her statement is that she rang police HQ on a normal number then made the connection that way?

West says "via 9 system" which following what Bill posted is the emergency line? Milbank obviously thought the call was on the emergency line as well.

All Jean Rowe did, she did what she was asked to do, connect the phone to HQ via the 999 system, she never patched any call through from anyone alive inside WHF and  she wasn’t transferring any 999 call as proved by her statement, inspector Burrell’s statement the log written by WEST and the logs from the Incident room, she patched it to one phone in the incident room and didn’t want to tie the whole 9s up in case someone else needed emergency.  Sensible thing to do.


I told Bubo the 999 system would be called the 9s for short,  that’s not hard to fathom out at all.