Pros & cons of the defence scenario

[ILB]

My thread post has the defence Sheila scenario. Together with the pros and cons.

The defence can't invent a kitchen conversation with a fully fit 6.4 man & fully fit sleeping woman. It would put too much doubt in the jury as it does not match the crime scene evidence.

Kingsley Napley, Rivlin, Ed lawson QC, and of course Jeremy were the bulk of the defence in 1986.

To my knowledge none of the quartet offered ' a shelia scenario '

Makes good forum fodder though.

[Adam]

Maybe the prosecution submitted the Sheila scenario which matched the crime scene. Then opposed it - no blood on phone etc.

Thought the defence would say why and when Nevill called Bamber for the jury.

[Adam]

It is quite possible the prosecution introduced the Sheila scenario up to where Nevill calls Bamber. Which matched the crime scene.

They would then dismantle it as part of there prosecution case.

Reply 1 on this thread does show problems with this scenario. So a good idea for the prosecution to introduce and then dismantle it.

[Adam]

The defence may not have wanted to focus on Nevill calling Bamber after his 4 bedroom shots. Even though it matches the crime scene.

If they thought it would make there case weaker due to the doubt that Nevill would call Bamber after he had been shot 4 times.

[Adam]

Once the prosecution introduced the Sheila scenario up to where Nevill calls Bamber, the defence had to accept it.

They couldn't introduce an alternative scenario which matched the crime scene as none existed. 

[ILB]

Prosecution would never even attempt to construct a shelia scenario.

Would never happen and if anything could be counterproductive.

In their Jeremy scenario they emphasised the background, the transport and the phone.

[Adam]

Prosecution would never even attempt to construct a shelia scenario.

Would never happen and if anything could be counterproductive.

In their Jeremy scenario they emphasised the background, the transport and the phone.

The proscution said Nevill would have difficulty speaking after being shot 4 times. Together with there being no blood on the phone.

This was either in response to the defence scenario of when Nevill called Bamber's AM. Or the same scenario the prosecution  introduced. Which matched the crime scene.

[ILB]

The defence may not have wanted to focus on Nevill calling Bamber after his 4 bedroom shots. Even though it matches the crime scene.

If they thought it would make there case weaker due to the doubt that Nevill would call Bamber after he had been shot 4 times.

Nothing can disprove or prove the possibility that he was shot 4 times before speaking to Bamber hypothetically speaking

The phone call from Nevill is the cornerstone of Bambers defence case.

[Adam]

Maybe the defence could have introduced Bubo Bubo's Sheila scenario. Where a shot 5 times June -

Fights Sheila in the kitchen.

Reads the bible to Nevill in the kitchen.

Shoots Sheila with a shot gun.

Gets shot by EP.

[ILB]

The proscution said Nevill would have difficulty speaking after being shot 4 times. Together with there being no blood on the phone.

This was either in response to the defence scenario of when Nevill called Bamber's AM. Or the same scenario the prosecution  introduced. Which matched the crime scene.

I know. The only valid suggestion to counter that is that he was shot after to speaking to Bamber.

Bamber says " I dont know what happened "

Without a day to day vertrabim of the 86 trial, I cant say for certain what Rivlin did or didnt suggest.

[Adam]

I know. The only valid suggestion to counter that is that he was shot after to speaking to Bamber.

Bamber says " I dont know what happened "

Without a day to day vertrabim of the 86 trial, I cant say for certain what Rivlin did or didnt suggest.

Both sides would have looked at the possibility of Nevill calling Bamber's AM while fully fit.

But the crime scene evidence and common sense shows it was not possible.

[ILB]

Would like to read a transcript of Rivlins closing speech ( if it exists of course)

[ILB]

Both sides would have looked at the possibility of Nevill calling Bamber's AM while fully fit.

But the crime scene evidence and common sense shows it was not possible.

Well theoretically it is possible because from a neutral prospective if Shelia Caffell committed this crime we have no idea how it manifested.

Jeremy Bamber said he recieved a call saying " your sister has the gun "

[ILB]

Do you believe Rivlin ever told Bamber " you haven't got a prayer here"

[Adam]

Do you believe Rivlin ever told Bamber " you haven't got a prayer here"

No. He needed a motivated Bamber before, during & after his testimony.