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[Cambridgecutie]

Had he actuallytookbody temperature none of this would have happened and we wouldn't be discussing this case. Instead we have JBs campaign team taking his word on only noticing one gun shot wound to Sheila.

taken.

Wrong.  Tod is not an exact science.

Professor Bernard Knight, a renowned forensic pathologist and writer, highlighted in his work that body temperature is not an "exact" measurement due to the wide range of physiological and environmental factors that cause it to fluctuate, making it an unreliable sole indicator for precise estimations like time of death in forensic science.

Experience vs. Certainty: According to a book review of one of his authoritative texts, Knight suggested that "certainty comes more easily to those who lack the experience to appreciate the interplay between all the variables which can be involved" in determining the time of death.

You have been advised numerous times that Dr Craig's role was to certify death not to interfere with victims by attempting to reveal the number of gunshot wounds.  Had he done, the likes of yourself would be chomping at the bit about how he interfered with the victims. 

[Cambridgecutie]

I agree David, so many errors.

Who made so many errors and what basis?

[Hardy Boy]

Who made so many errors and what basis?

I think you’ve conceded before on this Cutie, no Pathologist, no ballistics and a reluctance to do a thorough house search, that’s just a start.

[Cambridgecutie]

I think you’ve conceded before on this Cutie, no Pathologist, no ballistics and a reluctance to do a thorough house search, that’s just a start.

I agree ballistics, biologist and pathologist should have been called to the soc.  I thought you were referring to mistakes by Dr Craig.

[Jane]

I agree ballistics, biologist and pathologist should have been called to the soc.  I thought you were referring to mistakes by Dr Craig.

Did not the pathologist register some irritation at being informed his presence wasn't required? Who was it who told him this?

[Bubo bubo]

Did not the pathologist register some irritation at being informed his presence wasn't required? Who was it who told him this?

He said that he was not needed until 15.00pm.

[Rob_]

Had he actually took body temperature none of this would have happened and we wouldn't be discussing this case. Instead we have JBs campaign team taking his word on only noticing one gun shot wound to Sheila.

I am not so sure David? the difference in body temperature over say 3 hours would be half a degree or something like that.

We would still be saying it's not conclusive like the lividity not being on Sheila and food in her stomach etc.   

[Cambridgecutie]

I am not so sure David? the difference in body temperature over say 3 hours would be half a degree or something like that.

We would still be saying it's not conclusive like the lividity not being on Sheila and food in her stomach etc. 

All of this was pored over by Prof Knight for the defence.  If it had the sort of meaning you and others believe it has then why did Prof Knight not flag it up?

[Rob_]

All of this was pored over by Prof Knight for the defence.  If it had the sort of meaning you and others believe it has then why did Prof Knight not flag it up?

It's inconclusive I agree, we are talking about deaths occurring over a relatively short time span.

We are allowed to have an opinion Cc though, how many innocent people have been executed/given life sentences by so called incompetent experts that the jury have believed word for word?         

[BarefootDanC]

Had he actually took body temperature none of this would have happened and we wouldn't be discussing this case. Instead we have JBs campaign team taking his word on only noticing one gun shot wound to Sheila.

Same for all five victims. If you take the wording literally, all the victims had a single gunshot wound!

[Cambridgecutie]

It's inconclusive I agree, we are talking about deaths occurring over a relatively short time span.

We are allowed to have an opinion Cc though, how many innocent people have been executed/given life sentences by so called incompetent experts that the jury have believed word for word?         

Yes but don't expect not to called out when it doesn't stack up.

Prof Knight was an expert for the defence.  He had an illustrious career spanning decades.  Not a whiff of incompetence or wrongdoing.  Conversely the FSS was called out by Parliament for quality failings during the 80's.  And the director at FSS Huntingdon at the time the Bamber exhibits were under examination was charged with perverting the course of justice in another case. 

[David1819]

Same for all five victims. If you take the wording literally, all the victims had a single gunshot wound!

His words are "I saw only one gunshot wound at that stage"

[Rob_]

His words are "I saw only one gunshot wound at that stage"

Only Woodcock to my knowledge said they saw two bullet wounds? and I don't trust what he says anyway.

[David1819]

Only Woodcock to my knowledge said they saw two bullet wounds? and I don't trust what he says anyway.

That's why crime scene photos are taken.

[Cambridgecutie]

His words are "I saw only one gunshot wound at that stage"

Was it the lower or upper wound?

Did he see soc images?